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To: Clint N. Suhks; Paul C. Jesup
"Wrong again, genitalia characteristics are either male, female or ambiguous. A hermaphrodite means having functioning reproductive organs in plants and microorganisms and has nothing to do with humans."

You're wrong, Clint. "Hermaphrodite" has been used in medical terminology for over 100 years to describe a wide array of human conditions. The following is just one of 1000's of such articles found in medical journals:

P&S Medical Review: August 1996, Vol.3, No.2
True Hermaphroditism: Considerations in the Management of Patients Presenting in Early and Adult Life

Abstract

A twenty-seven year old man with penoscrotal hypospadias and unilateral undescended gonad was diagnosed with lateral true hermaphroditism during an evaluation for infertility. Phenotype male true hermaphrodites seldom present in adult life, and rarely for infertility. This case illustrates how diagnosis and treatment may be delayed until a significant personal event, such as infertility, prompts medical evaluation.

The term is going out of style in favor of "intersexed," but it's still commonly used. Some hermaphrodites find it offensive, others don't give a toot. You can find the rest of the article at Hermaphrodite

You're also dead wrong about nearly everything else you been pontificating on. Attending physicians have been "assigning" sex to babies based on penis size and shape since the first part of the 20th century. Boys with penises less than 1 inch were routinely whacked and raised as girls. Parents were counseled that it was best for the child. A mind-boggling array of genital malformities in boys received similar attention. (Current wisdom is slowly turning away from these practices. It's about time.) Furthermore, there is no such thing as the "gender one is born with" you tout in post #100. I hate to pop your bubble, but intersexuality is a real live human condition and some people just don't fit neatly into your little black & white, male & female world-view.

119 posted on 11/02/2001 1:00:08 PM PST by OBAFGKM
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To: OBAFGKM
You're wrong, Clint. "Hermaphrodite" has been used in medical terminology for over 100 years to describe a wide array of human conditions. The following is just one of 1000's of such articles found in medical journals: The term is going out of style in favor of "intersexed," but it's still commonly used. Some hermaphrodites find it offensive, others don't give a toot. You can find the rest of the article at Hermaphrodite

Hermaphrodite incorrectly describes the condition you and Paul C. use for your “transsexual” agenda. It means, by definition, having two reproductive organs capable of reproducing, a fact generalized in Paul’s scenarios, as it would pertain to gender. Even the case study, in your student run medical journal, diagnosed with “true hemaphroditism” denotes the patient is male. Mosaicism is, however, probably the most rare and complex of all intersex syndromes, but gender is still easily determined by the initial, though partial, androgen and MIS production.

You're also dead wrong about nearly everything else you been pontificating on.

Well, would you mind pointing out my inaccuracies one syndrome at a time?

Attending physicians have been "assigning" sex to babies based on penis size and shape since the first part of the 20th century.

Yes, and I’m sure with much malpractice not given the time and knowledge for the day. Tonsils were also prophylacticly removed to prevent [rheumatic fever (?)], mine were.

Boys with penises less than 1 inch were routinely whacked and raised as girls. Parents were counseled that it was best for the child. A mind-boggling array of genital malformities in boys received similar attention.

And what was the mind-boggling syndrome of ASD for which they made these judgements? Where was the urethra located, was androgen and or MIS produced? Were either of the Wolffian or Mullerian ducts more developed than one or the other? Which procedure gave the patient the best chance to reproduce?

(Current wisdom is slowly turning away from these practices. It's about time.) Furthermore, there is no such thing as the "gender one is born with" you tout in post #100. I hate to pop your bubble, but intersexuality is a real live human condition and some people just don't fit neatly into your little black & white, male & female world-view.

Sorry, please do pop my bubble, your generalizations don’t fit into what you want to call “true hermaphroditism”.

123 posted on 11/02/2001 9:05:14 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
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