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To: Black Jade
"...and I expect others to say 'show me' when I state my views."

Precisely my point, dear 'Jade; your views. Follow me?
I'll always listen to what you have to say, what's going through your mind? Without the necessity of your having to document each & every thought.
You're confusing me with someone else, apparently; & I mean no disrespect to anyone in so saying that, starting with & including you. OK?
Now then...

"This isn't 'purely' my 'speculation,' Landru. My concern that the jurisdiction of these new 'military courts' COULD BE extended to include US citizens is based on the fact..."

So you see?
It *is* speculation, assumptions, with a *bit* of hyperbole scattered about. Nice writing, sincere concerns & valid points *all*, actually.
However...since you cannot show one instance of this law having been used, maliciously, against a US citizen?
Well...do I have to continue?

"...that these are specifically classified as courts to try 'terrorists.' Under the 'Patriot Act of 2001,' 'terrorists' include US citizens."

Yes 'Jade. That's correct.
US citizens who're of say (for the sake of illustration) Anglo or African decent, practicing fundamentalist Islam, and who'd participated in the past atrocities &/or any & all future acts of terror perpetrated upon our nation & her citizens?
You bet. They will swing from the end of a rope from a military constructed gallows.
Moreover they hang with 101% of my blessings & if need be?
I'll pull the handle, myself.

"Under this act, US citizens who 'appear to be intended' to engage in an act of terrorism are classified as 'terrorists.' The obvious intent of setting up an entirely new 'military court' system is to avoid being bound by the rules that govern presently existing military and civilian courts."

I disagee; having worked in military law enforcement?
I can tell you a subject charged under the UCMJ/MCM is entitled to legal represention at Court Martial represented by a *certified* attorney provided by JAG.
Kangaroo court?
Hardly.

"This 'Homeland Defense' legislation and program is aimed at citizens, as well as non-citizens."

Correcto-mundo, 'Jade. You got it. So terrorists, foriegn OR domestic; BEWARE.
[You're] on notice this nation's people are FINISHED with the kind of bull$hit stunts whereby a criminal commits henious acts against the innocent, then, turns right around & USES the very words of our laws as a weapon against the very people those laws were meant to protect while worming-around the intent.
Yea. That's doneski; *we've* HAD IT.

"The whole concept here of classifying somebody as a 'terrorist' is to get around the normal constitutional procedures and laws that govern criminal cases. If US citizens can be classified as 'terrorists' [FOR committing TERRORIST ACTS...] and denied our constitutional rights on that basis, and an extralegal system is in place specifically to try 'terrorists,' then what would prevent US citizens from being tried in those 'terrorist' courts?"

Ahhhh...they're not committing terrorist act(s)?Do ya think?

"Well, it is clear that these new 'military courts' are designed to be Kangaroo courts, just as the ICTY is, which I mentioned in a previous post. No matter how much money the defendent does or doesn't have, the deck is going to be stacked against him, right from the start."

Stacked deck?
Here, try this out for size then: If it were up to me these people wouldn't even get their choice of execution.
I trust my senses, after the facts have been heard -- privately or otherwise & if an individual brought before a court I was sitting on didn't pass MY smell test?
They could kiss their sweet posteriors goodbye, 'Jade.
Of course, I sit on no such bench but listen, I only told you that because this could be much, much worse than even you think.

This citizen, -me-, has had enough; and FYI, so have each & every single one of my neighbors.
If you know any of these nuts?
Be a good fellow & tell 'em it ain't safe here for 'em anymore.
...& as for my safety?
I'll take my chances with my countrymen, thank you.

Have a nice day, 'Jade.

137 posted on 11/19/2001 6:10:45 AM PST by Landru
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