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To: winstonchurchill
It is pure nonsense that Calvinism leads to not wresting with sin. God to a Calvinist church adn you will see that we hate sin more than most Arminians I can think of.

God is God. You may have a problem with that, but I do not. He determines things, not me.

Also, how on Earth do you expect Christ to "die" for all, and yet have God say it is his will to save everyone....when only some come? GOD FAILED AND CHRIST DIED IN VAIN if you are correct. I believe God did not fail. Christ's death was not in vain and the will of God is accomplished ALWAYS. How is it possible that man, loving his sin and TOTALLY UNABLE to love or even understand the things of God, can come to faith in Christ without the Holy Spirit first bringing him? You see, it is not possible for him to understand the Gospel at all. It is not possible for him to come to faith. God has to take the first step. Scripture says it is predestination. The Holy Spirit then converts those who were predestined.

234 posted on 11/01/2001 2:27:20 PM PST by rwfromkansas
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To: rwfromkansas
How is it possible that man, loving his sin and TOTALLY UNABLE to love or even understand the things of God, can come to faith in Christ without the Holy Spirit first bringing him? You see, it is not possible for him to understand the Gospel at all. It is not possible for him to come to faith. God has to take the first step.

As I said in #228 above, "In doing this, He (God) made sure that He gave each man just a sufficient amount of grace (theologians call it 'pre-venient grace', i.e. 'going-before' grace) so that each man would have no excuse for not accepting His Son."

God wants our love, not just a bunch of mindless automatons. He carefully balances the scales for each of us, so every man -- every one reading these words -- has a real and present opportunity to meet the Master and gain eternal life. Anything less isn't the Good News of the Gospel.

235 posted on 11/01/2001 2:46:45 PM PST by winstonchurchill
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To: rwfromkansas; RnMomof7
It is pure nonsense that Calvinism leads to not wresting with sin. God to a Calvinist church adn you will see that we hate sin more than most Arminians I can think of.

winstonchurchill is well-aware of these basic facts. They were explained thoroughly on the Calvinist threads. His tactic is unchanged.

You'll notice that he has now discovered Wesley's prevenient grace as his current vehicle to escape the relentless nature of God's Irresistable Grace. This is a new addition in his repertoire.
245 posted on 11/01/2001 6:08:13 PM PST by George W. Bush
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