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To: smolensk
I have studied history and find it fascinating. You learn so much about historical figures that you never do in school. For example, here is a link to a website which details the story of how when Robert E. Lee freed some, but not all, his slaves in the 1850's he paid passage for some of them to go to Liberia. Imagine that. Lee an advocate of sending free Blacks back to Africa. So much so that he would pay their passage. Does that change your high opinion of him?

P.S. Sorry if I won't shut up just because you tell me to.

47 posted on 10/31/2001 9:38:31 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Non-Sequitur...

You talent for distorting history is equaled by your talent for distorting even what you site as a reference.

First of all, the purchase of west African land and later naming it 'Liberia' was an idea of NORTHERNERS! I have a book at home which even gives the name of the man who was head of the organization which sponsored this approach and will post more about it tonight.

Secondly, you state that 'Lee paid passage', when the article you site yourself acutally says that 'Lee OFFERED to pay passage'. It also goes on to say that the family in question were fairly highly educated and wanted to go. I don't think, that as you gently infer, that Lee FORCED anyone to go to Liberia.

Also, speaking of FORCE...Lincoln's plan, on the other hand, was for a mandatory (i.e. forced) re-patriation of all blacks back to Africa whether they wanted to or not. So don't spew this BULL CRAP about Lee around here! You also failed to mention (as you often do) that all Lee's slaves were free prior to the start of the war, and maybe Grant didn't own any slaves that he personally bought, but he sure didn't object to inheriting the slaves that his Missouri wife brought with her into their marriage, and according to the law at that time, the wife's property became the husbands. I didn't see him forcing her to sell them. So technically, he owned slaves thru the war.

Third, What exactly do you call 'junk history books'? I don't think that any of the famous works that are no longer in print are junk. 'Junk' as you call it, is more fitting description of what if published today.

I suppose in your mind, the Official Records of the Civil War would qualify as 'junk' because K. Stampp didn't write them right?

53 posted on 10/31/2001 10:45:09 AM PST by smolensk
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To: Non-Sequitur
Non-Sequitur...

You talent for distorting history is equaled by your talent for distorting even what you site as a reference.

First of all, the purchase of west African land and later naming it 'Liberia' was an idea of NORTHERNERS! I have a book at home which even gives the name of the man who was head of the organization which sponsored this approach and will post more about it tonight.

Secondly, you state that 'Lee paid passage', when the article you site yourself acutally says that 'Lee OFFERED to pay passage'. It also goes on to say that the family in question were fairly highly educated and wanted to go. I don't think, that as you gently infer, that Lee FORCED anyone to go to Liberia.

Also, speaking of FORCE...Lincoln's plan, on the other hand, was for a mandatory (i.e. forced) re-patriation of all blacks back to Africa whether they wanted to or not. So don't spew this BULL CRAP about Lee around here! You also failed to mention (as you often do) that all Lee's slaves were free prior to the start of the war, and maybe Grant didn't own any slaves that he personally bought, but he sure didn't object to inheriting the slaves that his Missouri wife brought with her into their marriage, and according to the law at that time, the wife's property became the husbands. I didn't see him forcing her to sell them. So technically, he owned slaves thru the war.

Third, What exactly do you call 'junk history books'? I don't think that any of the famous works that are no longer in print are junk. 'Junk' as you call it, is more fitting description of what if published today.

I suppose in your mind, the Official Records of the Civil War would qualify as 'junk' because K. Stampp didn't write them right?

54 posted on 10/31/2001 10:47:03 AM PST by smolensk
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