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To: smolensk
I didn't bring it up, you did, with your pitiful '203' boast. You want even bigger posting hits on your next 'humorous' effort? Try:

Libertarian Nazis Caused Civil War!

Should get you 500 replies easy.

210 posted on 11/04/2001 8:29:54 AM PST by tpaine
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To: tpaine
tpaine - I'm sorry that you can't read and understand clear English. I thought they still taught that in northern schools. Again, YOU were the one who accused me of talking to myself. I MERELY pointed out that there were many others posting on this thread too. It has NOTHING, I REPEAT, NOTHING to do with my personal popularity - just that, even without ALL the others who posted on this thread, I STILL HAVE YOUR ATTENTION.

And I am sorry that you, LLAN-DEUSANT (and his ilk), and all Americans either don't care, don't have the time, or maybe just don't have the intelligence, to investigate the VAST storehouse of information that is there (if you look for it) that are the writings of our ancestors, our philosophers, our forefathers and framers of our Constitution, the CLEARLY show that NO STATE ratified our Constitution under the presumption that once in the United States, there was no way out.

You can claim that it was changed by force of arms, that it was changed by later schools of thought, you can claim that it wouldn't work today and to some degree I can accept ALL those arguments as true. BUT DON'T try to tell me that it wasn't originally intended that a state, or states, could secede.

I could stack book upon book in front of your which contains direct words from the people of the late 18th century, and early 19th century that say that they could. All you have is the strained interpretation and twisting of one word - 'perpetual'.

I'm also sorry (for you and others) that you are so brainwashed and 'convinced' that what you think is true is in fact true that you don't even bother to read. No, you won't find it on the Barnes & Noble bookshelves. You can start by reading the 'Debates on the Federal Constitution - 1787' by James Madison. Then, you should read 'A Republic of Republics' by Bernard Janin Sage. Then, you should read 'A View of the Constitution of the US' by William Rawle (published in 1829). Those are just for starters. I am sorry that you haven't read them. You should also read the 'Federalist Papers'. This is just scratching the surface.

On the other hand, you can't show me in the Constitution where there is an amendment that says that a state can't secede. Wouldn't you think that after fighting a bloody war, the Union would have chosen to put this in the Constitution (as part of the 14th Amendment) just to make sure it was clear for posterity? But they didn't. They did, however, go to enough detail to outline that no person who had been part of the CSA could from that time on hold office as Congressman or Senator (but you knew that didn't you?). You ONLY piece of evidence you have is the Texas vs White case which WAS NOT a trial before the supreme court to determine the validity of secession, by the way.

I know you are desperate when you have to resort to such gutter tactics as bringing up 'Nazis' (a favorite diversion for people of your brainwashed and historically uneducated mindset), so I will consider it a compliment that I have left you with absolutely NOTHING better to say that such gutter talk.

213 posted on 11/04/2001 7:39:17 PM PST by smolensk
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To: tpaine
tpaine - two quotes especially for you (and wouldn't hurt to be read by a few others I can think of). "If a Nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.... If we are to guard against ignorance and remain free, it is the responsibility of every American to be informed." -- Thomas Jefferson to Col. Yancey, 1816 "There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance -- that principle is contempt prior to investigation." -- Herbert Spencer You know about the original 13th Amendment right?
214 posted on 11/04/2001 7:49:39 PM PST by smolensk
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