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To: tpaine
You are welcome to your delusions of triumph in our 'debate'.

The South also won 3 or more previous political battles by threatening or mentioning 'secession'. There was the repeal of the Missouri Compromise, I know, and the idea of popular sovereignty for territories. And if the Democrats hadn't been split by Douglas (mainly by his Freeport Doctrine), it would have worked again in the election of 1860.

So, it seems that the threat of secession was a pretty powerful weapon to say that it was widely known as unconstitutional, wouldn't you say?

And be honest, and tell me this, have you read ANY of the ratifying resolutions of the states when they ratified the Constitution? If so, please give your interpretation - I'd love to hear it.

The ideology that secession wasn't allowed was propagated by Webster, H.C. Lodge, and Story with their eloquent speech, that is all. The meaning and intent of the people who founded this country was changed by them, not the Constitution.

And you never told me what changed, between the time of those ratifying resolutions and 1814. You, if I understand you correctly, are asserting that secession was illegal even then and that the northeastern states were threatening to do something unconstitutional and illegal. Where in the constitution is it illegal, especially in light of all the ratifying resolutions? Where? And you are welcome to your delusions everywhere else, and especially of northern 'perfection' and northern 'high moral' thinking.

Good Day.

195 posted on 11/03/2001 7:11:14 AM PST by smolensk
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To: smolensk
The 'straw man' methods you use to make your points invalidates them. - You are not addressing MY arguments, you are claiming, falsely, that I either have made, or should make, answers to your suppositions that prove your points.

This is not debate, it's a circle jerk joke. -- Find someone else to play your silly games with.

196 posted on 11/03/2001 8:00:59 AM PST by tpaine
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