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To: factmart
The quote was from Madison, not Thomas Jefferson..by the way isn't it rumored that Jefferson had a child with his slave? Is that a good example? According Rayners' Life of Jefferson..(http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/biog/)With regard to the personal piety of the President, if external observances are of any account, it is well known that he was a constant and exemplary attendant upon public worship, liberal in contributions to the support of the simple religion of Jesus, but frowning and inflexible on all sectarian projects.

Check here for more info on Jefferson and his Jefferson Bible, I find him an interesting man.

http://www.angelfire.com/co/JeffersonBible/jeffbsyl.html

What about that other Thomas, Edison...Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931). "Religion is all bunk." "I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God."

I don't have a clue where you heard Darwin was a Christian, in his autobiography he claims to be an agnostic:

http://www.update.uu.se/~fbendz/library/cd_relig.htm#8
86 posted on 10/30/2001 9:26:28 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone
What about that other Thomas, Edison...Thomas Edison, American inventor (1847-1931). "Religion is all bunk." "I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God."

I guess he knows better now.

87 posted on 10/31/2001 5:18:44 AM PST by Jerry_M
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To: rolling_stone
The quote was from Madison, not Thomas Jefferson..by the way isn't it rumored that Jefferson had a child with his slave? Is that a good example?

That rumor was publicized (by a fob) to cover the tail of one of the most immoral heathens to ever sit in the office of the President of the United States..one that will surely burn in the fires of Hell unless he is moved to fall on his face before a Mighty God!

That being said, a recent article that I read said it has been pretty well disproven that the baby Sally had was Jefferson's..the genetic tests point to a cousin of his..

All men have fallen short of the Glory of God,that is why Thomas Jefferson,Bill Clinton,you and I need a Savior!

89 posted on 10/31/2001 9:25:31 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: rolling_stone
Darwin was a Christian, in his autobiography that was written before he was on his death bed, he was not a Christian, But on his death bed he converted to Christ!

A very smart atheist, eternity is forever. �

90 posted on 10/31/2001 1:21:33 PM PST by factmart
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To: rolling_stone
Check here for more info on Jefferson and his Jefferson Bible, I find him an interesting man.

Your link to the website mentions the Jefferson Bible. I understand that the full Jeffersonian Bible was destroyed in the fire that engulfed his library. We have only remnants of Jefferson's early thinking on Christianity. Apparently, he had showed it to enough people that it damaged his reputation since he had rewritten the Bible and edited out the parts he thought fanciful. Actually, he was a lot like a one-man Jesus Seminar if you're familiar with the modern blasphemers so beloved by Peter Jennings. There is enough evidence remaining and that accrued after the fire to indicate that Jefferson believed that Jesus was not Christ, and not the Son of God and the instrument of man's salvation.

Given this, Jefferson would be very comparable to modern Anglicans or a dozen or more liberal mainstream Christian churches who do not actually believe in the deity of Jesus and consider Him merely to be a great teacher.

Jefferson is, in most lists of the religious affiliation of great Americans, listed as merely a Deist. I think that is pretty accurate given what we know about him.

Oh, yeah, and the most recent evidence about Jefferson fathering a child with his slave indicates that the whole thing is bogus. However, the leading historians who have now reached this conclusion have not been heard much from. Funny how a bogus piece of liberal propaganda is trumpetted by the libmedia everywhere to establish it as a "fact" but then when it is disproven, the libmedia suddenly finds itself interested in reporting other facts. Funny how that works. We had a thread here a while back that focused on how the top historians debunked this but that their opinion is now irrelevant and the descendants of the slave woman are still entitled to attend Jefferson events and lay claim to his ancestry. More NAACP nonsense.
99 posted on 11/01/2001 7:55:08 AM PST by George W. Bush
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To: rolling_stone
I don't have a clue where you heard Darwin was a Christian, in his autobiography he claims to be an agnostic:

How galled Darwin was when he found that the great scientific minds of his own day rejected his theory uniformly and that the only group who embraced it was the apostasizing Church of England. The top Anglican clergy were overjoyed that some "scientist" could relieve them of worrying that the account of God's creation in the Bible was true. It was also useful in helping the Anglicans to abandon missionary efforts in places like Australia where they could then dismiss the aborigines (who they couldn't seem to convert) as subhuman. Interestingly, fundamentalist Christians moved in at the same time and converted them by the thousands.

Darwin was always galled that his partner in promoting evolution was the Church of England since they used his theory to promote "guided evolution". This Hegelian synthesis by the Anglicans was completely opposed to both traditional creation by God and to true Darwinism which maintained that evolution was entirely random and not necessarily "progressive".

But the Church of England was so grateful to Darwin that they gave him a finer funeral than they ever gave to any other public figure including the great military heroes and political leaders of England.
100 posted on 11/01/2001 8:03:13 AM PST by George W. Bush
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