Posted on 10/29/2001 4:28:05 PM PST by Utah Girl
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:29 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
As for the crusades, history has been distorted on the subject, if you think what they throw at you in public school is the whole truth and nothing but then you are deluted. remember Muslims were conquering people and countries across Africa and up into Europe.
That's a canard, a real steaming pile of fresh green horse manure, and you know it.
Mohammed Atta and company went to their deaths (taking 5,000 innocents with them) screaming "ALLAH AHKBAR!"
The only "gods" Hitler ever talked about were the Norse pagan gods of a dubious nordic mythology.
Question: I have noticed that Turkish papers in my local store have been publishing a lot recently about Kamal Ataturk.That would be because Oct 29, 1923 is the day our republic was declared, by our founding father Kemal Ataturk.
POSITION MOUSE ON RED TEXT. CLICK.What I'm saying is I am not interested in a web site developed for the sheer purpose of propaganda. Don't point me to their web site. You are full of doo doo.
Islam's Hatred of the ClitorisThat's the first time I ever heared of that. I'll say it's crap.
India Connect MagazineYou just have to stop putting this false propaganda up here. Don't you know that India is an enemy of Pakistan, and is trying to manipulate you as part of it's war effort? Totally understandable tactic really.
Interviewer - Every major religion has its militant strains. But is there anything unique to Islam that would explain any aggression toward the West?Ex-nun - No...What those terrorists did shocked Muslims to the core [I don't see much shock. This woman wishes the atrocities shocked Muslims, but I reckon less than a third were shocked, as in abhorring the violence.] and there is nothing in the Qu’ran that could justify this[There are cells of Muslims sneaking about our country that would argue that specious claim with this mush-brained woman; Osama's killers for Allah claim the Quran condones and in fact calls for them to commit this jihad, fulfill this fatwah against the infidels!] any more than you can say that Jesus would have wanted anybody to go and kill doctors and nurses who have worked in abortion clinics.
Uh, lady, the 1.4 million unborn being slaughtered by sanctioned serial killing in abortuaries makes your analogy as hollow as your profession of faith. I imagine my Lord will be found outraged at the bloody handed clinicians of the abortuaries. This EX-nun no doubt sympathizes with 'a woman's right to choose a serial killer' ... and isn't that waht Osama pig Larden has done, choose his serial killers?
Frankly, the woman is a pseudointellectual in my book, even if she does at times raise legitimate points.
Guess what. There are 1.3 Billion Muslims in the world, and at last count, only a few hundred million of the benighted bastards were of the fundamentalist "Islamicist" variety, who want to convert, kill, or enslave the Infidel.
That, I am sure, will come as an enormous relief to the slaughtered millions of the Sudan, Indonesia, the Phillipines, and also the families of the WTC dead.
Where , O where are the statements of the Muslims absolutely condemning "fundamentalism," Usama bin Laden, and the world-wide murder of Christians?
I say to any "Moderate Muslim," PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Get these bastards out of your worship and turn them over to us, or get your worship out of this country and bake it for another 2 millenia in the sandy solitudes of your fly-infested homelands.
The term “jihad” originally referred to the struggle required to be a devoted Muslim, but today it is more commonly used to denote a holy war waged for Allah. Why the shift?
The first major Muslim thinker to make jihad—meaning holy war—a central tenet of the faith was [a] Pakistani thinker, Mawdudi [in the late1800’s] and now Osama bin Laden has put jihad at the center of his campaign. That is a very new development in the Muslim world, to focus narrowly on jihad as holy war, and the media also reinforced this. Jihad is the struggle or effort that is pursued on all fronts—intellectual, spiritual, social, moral as well as political.
AND NOW WITHOUT THE SPIN:
JIHAD – PAST AND PRESENT.
The word Jihad comes from the Arabic word jahada, which as Lane in his celebrated Arabic –English Lexicon points out, means "He strove, laboured, or toiled; exerted himself or his power or efforts or endeavours or ability" Jihad, continues Lane, "properly signifies using or exerting, one's utmost power, efforts, endeavours, or ability, in contending with an object of disapprobation, and this of three kinds, namely, a visible enemy, the devil, and one’s self; all of which are included in the Koran sura xxii.78. …Jihad came to be used by the Muslims to signify generally he fought, warred, or waged war, against unbelievers and the like ."[1] [Emphasis added]
As Tyan in his article in the EI² (Djihad, I.538 ff.) makes clear, "in law, according to general doctrine and in historical tradition, the jihad consists of military action with the object of the expansion of Islam and, if need be, of its defence"[emphasis added]. Tyan expressly rules out the thesis of a wholly apologetic character, according to which Islam relies on peaceful expansion, and that jihad is only authorized in cases of self-defence. This thesis ignores entirely the doctrines developed by Muslim theologians, the historical tradition, as well as texts of the Koran and sunna. Another scholar, Rudolph Peters [2], also emphasizes that Classical Muslim Koran interpretation regarded the Sword Verses of the Koran (see below), with uncoditional command to fight the unbelievers,as having abrogated all previous verses concerning relations with non-Muslims.
Koran VIII.60
Here are some hadith from Bukhari, Muslim and other traditionists:
Bukhari [3] LI.1: "Verily Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their properties; for theirs (in return) is Paradise.They fight in His cause, so they kill (others) and are killed…"[using forms of the verb " qatala" = to kill]
Bukhari:[4] LI.2 "Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah’s Messenger saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah’s cause – and Allah knows better who really strives in His cause – is like a person who fasts and prays continuously.Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."
Bukhari: [5] LI. 6 Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet said, ‘Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah …would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom,would like to come back to the world and get killed again."
Bukhari: [6] LI.22.Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu’ba:: Our Prophet told us about the message of our Lord that "… whoever amongst us is killed will go to Paradise"
‘Umar asked the Prophet, ‘Is it not true that our men who are killed will go to Paradise and theirs will go to the fire?’ The Prophet said ‘Yes ’.
Narrated ‘Abdullah bin Abi Aufa, Allah’s Messenger said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords." [meaning « under the protection of swords."]
Bukhari: [7] Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Messenger said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah’s cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the killer who also gets martyred (in Allah’s cause)."
Bukhari [8]: Narrated as-Sa’b bin Jaththama: The Prophet passed by me at a place called al-Abwa or Waddan, and was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They are from them." [i.e. the women and children are also pagans, hence it is permissible to kill them. However there are other hadith which do forbid the killing of women and children.]
Even a cursory glance at the chapter on Jihad (Vol.IV, pp. 34-199) in Bukhari is enough to show that real battles, deaths, wounds, horses, swords, arrows, prisoners of war, looting, booty, burning and destruction are being referred to. Hadith after hadith recount in horrible details as to how the Jihad against infidels was to be carried out; no they do not talk of metaphorical battles, or allegorical, spiritual struggles, but bloody war.
Sunan Abu Dawud,[9] Kitab al –Jihad:
(2632) Ayas b.Salamah reported on the authority of his father: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed Abu Bakr our commander and we fought with some people who were polytheists, and we attacked them at night, killing them. Our war-cry that night was ‘ put to death; put to death’. Salamah said: "I killed that night with my hand polytheists belonging to seven houses."
(2664) Samurah b. Jundub reported the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) as saying: « Kill the old men who are polytheists, but spare their children."[10]
Sahih Muslim [11] (4292); The Messenger of Allah made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water.He killed those who fought and imprisoned the others.
Sahih Muslim: (4294) If they (the enemy) refuse to accept Islam, demand from the Jizya; If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah’s help and fight them.
Averroes [12]: "Scholars agree that jihad is collective not a personal obligation.... According to the majority of scholars, the compulsory nature of the jihad is founded on sura 2:216 ‘Prescribed for you is fighting, though it be hateful to you.’ … Scholars agree that al polytheists should be fought. This is founded on sura 8:39 ‘Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God’s entirely."
Bin Laden and his radical Muslim cadres claim to be acting out of RELIGIOUS (Islamic) conviction.
And that makes all the difference...
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