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To: Non-Sequitur

"Hey, I’ll stack my knowledge of history against yours any day of the week, if your post is any indication. For example I know that the Emancipation Proclamation was written and released in 1862, not 1863"

Here boner, chew on this ...

'On Jan. 1, 1863, the formal and definite Emancipation Proclamation was issued. The President, by virtue of his powers as commander in chief, declared free all those slaves residing in territory in rebellion against the federal government as a fit and necessary war measure for suppressing said rebellion.

Congress, in effect, had done as much in its confiscation acts of Aug., 1861, and July, 1862, but its legislation did not have the popular appeal of the Emancipation Proclamation-despite the great limitations of the proclamation, which did not affect slaves in those states that had remained loyal to the Union or in territory of the Confederacy that had been reconquered.'

This last statement refers to Maryland!

" I also know that the race riots in Memphis and New Orleans in 1866 probably resulted in the deaths of more Blacks at the hands of white SOUTHERNERS than the New York race riots."

These riots were the result of harsh Northern Reconstruction Laws that placed an oppressive boot on the neck of the South. Many of the freed blacks suddenly had all this time on their hands, no jobs, and needed to eat. They were flexing their new found rights in many criminal ways. The white populace of the South had every right to protect itself.

and if you want to talk some more oppression and racial stats , then explain to me how the U.S. policies that were in reference to the Native American Indians were soooooooo fair and humanitarian, non-bigoted and non-racist. So does the polite euphemism of "Manifest Destiny" mean that the United States Government was non-racist in its slaughter of the Indians?

Also lets talk about the racial bigotry shown towards the Japanese - Americans during WW2. Then they were shipped off to relocation camps, all done under the auspices of the U.S. Flag!

While we're at it, lets chat about how "kind" the New Yorker's were to the Irish, now there is racism! And they are the entry point to America, a foreigners first glimpse of America! The South never treated folks like that!

Let's also chat about the American war of oppression against the Philippinoes in the early 1900's, on our part it was nothing more than Blatant Imperialism! The subjugation of a country to our whim!

"And finally I know that Sherman’s actions, while harsh, shortened the war by 6 months to a year. As he himself said, "You cannot qualify war in harsher terms than I will. War is cruelty, and you cannot refine it; and those who brought war into our country deserve all the curses and maledictions a people can pour out."

There is NO excuse for rapine and atrocities that they committed! The Southern troops never conducted themselves in such an atrocious manner, even when they invaded the Northern States. If a commander today were to allow that type of conduct from his troops, I'll guarantee the his career would be short. As for Sherman's last statement you quoted, that implies bigotry towards the South.

Perhaps you need to re-think your position on things ... and study your history better! Or are all your postings on this issue going to be as your screen name implies - "a statement that does not follow logically from anything previously said." A fallacy resulting from simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent.

Sorry Charles ... YOU LOSE!

169 posted on 10/31/2001 9:01:24 AM PST by Colt .45
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To: Colt .45
You don't bother reading prior posts, do you? If you had you would see where I acually quoted from the Emancipation Proclamation in Reply 128, the part which reads,

"Whereas, on the twenty-second day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:

That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free..."
Chew on that.

In fact, you don't read much history of the era at all, apparently, because if you did you would know that the era known as reconstruction lasted from 1867 to 1876 and was brought about in part because of the Black Codes and race riots which plagued the south.

As for Sherman, all I can do is quote the great man again. "War is the remedy our enemies have chosen. And I say let us give them all they want; not a word of argument, not a sign of let up, no cave-in until we are whipped - or they are." As it turned out, you were whipped.

Are you at least clear on the actual location of the Mason-Dixon Line and the difference between north and south?

170 posted on 10/31/2001 9:15:02 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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