[Marysecretary]

We're not talking about individual sins here but the sins of a nation such as abortion, homosexuality, things that the lawmakers have said are A-OK and are a slap in God's face. Don't get your panties in a twist, chookter.

[Cogadh na Sith]

I don't believe in 'collective sin'. Nations do not have souls or free will.

Nations were not raised in God's image with an indwelling of the Holy Spirit.