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Tehran gripped by worst rioting since revolution
Independent/UK ^ | 10/27/01 | Nick Pelham in Tehran

Posted on 10/26/2001 11:10:20 PM PDT by kattracks

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To: kattracks
Girls blew hooters at Islamic vigilantes

This is just the weapon we need against the Taliban!

61 posted on 10/27/2001 5:20:40 AM PDT by ExiledInTaiwan
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To: gonzo
OH MY GOD!

The HORROR, THE HORROR!

Actually Clinton could get lost in there!

62 posted on 10/27/2001 5:23:06 AM PDT by ExiledInTaiwan
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To: kattracks
Girls blew hooters at Islamic vigilantes armed with staves

No, no, it's not what you think, Izzy... < slap >

63 posted on 10/27/2001 5:36:11 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne
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To: Persian_Libertarian
This freeper wrote a very interesting reply just a few days ago. He predicted that Persia will overturn the fundamentalists some day soon. He said when they do they will be spouting Jefferson, Locke and Burke as they do so!

My he/she can weigh in here and give us some first stuff as I am sure he/she still has family and/or friends there.

64 posted on 10/27/2001 5:45:49 AM PDT by Seeking the truth
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To: kattracks
In Tehran, the young people braved tear gas and blows from the security forces to cavort to the sound of the Western pop star Sonique, blaring from radios. Girls blew hooters at Islamic vigilantes armed with staves while their boyfriends fought riot police with stones and homemade explosives.

Gee, did they go down the line and put flowers in the barrels of the guns?

65 posted on 10/27/2001 6:04:51 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: onyx
It IS a big change but it isn't a tidal wave, although it seems like it because we're not paying much attention to Iran.

But this has gradually been going on over the last ten years or so.

I have a very good friend who is Iranian, a woman engineer who I supervised several years ago. One day I walked into her office and saw that she was listening intently to the Farsi-language radio station here in Houston, as the announcer in an obviously excited tone rattled on nonstop. She told me that it was a call-in show, and they were discussing changes that were coming about in Iran. Most of the callers were declaring their intention to go to Iran as soon as "counter-revolutionary leaders" gave the call.

My friend, who is a well-to-do middle-aged mother of three, about five foot nothing and 100 lbs., said to me, very seriously "I'm going to go to Academy and buy a camo outfit, and we're buying weapons now, as many as we can get, and we're going over there and take back our country!"

Of course nothing has really happened along those lines since then, but it is hard for us to understand how the Iranian diaspora feels about things. They could form the first wave of a pretty potent force.

FWIW, my friend's father, and her husband's father, were both high-ranked generals in the Iranian air force and army respectively. They lost everything when Khomeini took power. Their children of course are thoroughly American, and she has no illusions about their wanting to go back to the "home" they have never known. But I can put myself in her place and know how I'd feel.

66 posted on 10/27/2001 6:14:16 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Republicus2001
Yes, the first generation descendants of the Iranian Diaspora that ocurred in 1979 et seq.
67 posted on 10/27/2001 6:16:09 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: LibWhacker
I'm not buying it. Have they dismantled their terrorist training camps?

You seem to be confusing the radical militants who have control of the government of Iran with the people who are governed against their will.

I'm not sure why things like this are so hard to understand. The flame of freedom burns in varying degrees of brightness in the heart of every man.

68 posted on 10/27/2001 6:17:53 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: kattracks
How you gonna keep 'em down on the farm.....
69 posted on 10/27/2001 6:18:15 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: GeronL
That is because the US is controlled by commies who hate freedom.
70 posted on 10/27/2001 6:19:42 AM PDT by theoutsideman
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To: LibWhacker
You may be confusing the people with the government. Once again the people are far ahead of their government in tryint to find freedom.
71 posted on 10/27/2001 6:23:07 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter
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To: Truthsayer20
What you are pointing out is something that I think a lot of people do not understand about the Middle East. They think it is "Islam" that is the prime motivator of events. It is a big factor obviously, but the biggests--as always--is ethnic.

Arabs by and large are the ones who come up with the goofy, misogynistic, anti-Western flavor to Islam. You see countries like Turkey and pre-Khomeini Iran that aren't burdened with such quasi stone-age baggage.

Even in Afghanistan and Iran, where ultra-orthodoxy reigns, there is a simmering of resentment. Only in Saudi Arabia is the majority of the people in sync with the radical Islamic sentiment, because it is the birthplace of Wahabism.

I predict that Iran, which is already so much more moderate than it was in the days of Khomeini, will continue to join the rest of the world. I don't know they'll ever have a Shah again--and I'm not sure that would be the best thing anyway--but they do have the seeds of a bona fide Republic there, although it is still hampered by restrictions (only "authorized" parties allowed to stand candidates for election, etc.)

It will be interesting to see. Our prolonged war on terrorism is potentially a huge factor to accelerate change there.

72 posted on 10/27/2001 6:24:39 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Hillary 666
cavort to the sound of the Western pop star Sonique...

Who?

Sonique

She's a hit in England.

73 posted on 10/27/2001 6:26:44 AM PDT by csvset
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To: FITZ
They hate when that happens because they don't have the greatest opinion of Arabs, they'll tell you right away that it's an insult...

Iranian Muslims are Shi'ites, a branch of Islam that reveres "Ali" the grandson of Mohammed who was "martyred" by the mainstream Sunni Muslims. This antipathy might be undiscernible by western eyes, but it is profound.

74 posted on 10/27/2001 6:27:32 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Shermy
If it weren't for the clerics, we would be walking through Afghanistan arm in arm with the Iranian Army.
75 posted on 10/27/2001 6:29:43 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: Timesink
Excellent point. The official position of the Communist government of China is that the revolution is ongoing.
76 posted on 10/27/2001 6:30:15 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: oyez
Why isn't this front page news in the USA?

Good Question.

This is great news !!! Let's roll for Freedom, Iranians ! Keep up the good work !

77 posted on 10/27/2001 6:31:40 AM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: truth_seeker
The Shah was a tyrant, but a western looking one....

But he was a tyrant nevertheless. And life under the watchful eye of Savak, the Shah's secret police, was brutal.

The Shah's "Peacock Throne" had only existed less than a century, and Iranians never really warmed to the idea of it. Of course it's not as if the Pahlavis ever allowed them to.

78 posted on 10/27/2001 6:32:49 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: kattracks
The youths – both boys and girls – used two World Cup football qualifying fixtures as an excuse to reclaim the streets and assert their hunger for Western culture and freedoms.

This is a GOOD thing, no? YES, it is!!! Reminds me of Tiananmen Square!

79 posted on 10/27/2001 6:33:36 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: Shermy
Sorry about my previous post to you. It got away from me. I meant the following.

If it weren't for the clerics Jimmy Carter, we would be walking through Afghanistan arm in arm with the Iranian Army.

80 posted on 10/27/2001 6:33:44 AM PDT by FreePaul
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