Terror Additive: Tests Find Laced Anthrax; Atta Met Iraqi - Full Story

ABCNEWS ^ | Saturday, October 27, 2001

[ken21]

we probably paid a heavy price because the security agencies of this country cannot work together nor collect humit.

[vbmoneyspender]

Why is Fleischer doing backflips in order to deny obvious Iraqi involvement. I'm start to get really pissed about this, particularly given that the gov't is leaking false reports to Bob (I Can Speak to the Dead) Woodward that right wingers are involved.

[Jaded]

They have a point, making it and buying it to distribute are two totally different things. Just because Iraq has made it and sold it, it doesn't make them guilty of using it for terrorist activities in the US. It is the same argument the Gun makers have. Now, if they prove Hussein is directly behind distribution/terrorism in the US, then lock and load, it's play time in the sandbox.

[vbmoneyspender]

If Saddam is selling it or distributing it, then he is behind it. Your argument, it seems to me, is pretty legalistic. In fact, it sounds alot like what Al Queda has said about the hijackers who took down the WTC Towers (i.e. "Well we gave them support, but we weren't responsible for what happened").

Or lets put it another way, if Saddam Hussein sold anthrax to some group, do you really think he had no idea that it was going to be used against the United States?

[Vinomori]

I can only imagine that the U.S. Govt. wants to keep the identity of the mailers a secret as war plans are formulated so the element of surprise is maximized. If we id Saddam too early, he hides and/or hits Israel, etc. But the US Govt. is wrong to do this because we are not stupid.

[vbmoneyspender]

P.S. Don't you think it is a bit ridiculous to compare the production and distribution of anthrax to the production and distribution of guns. To me, the appropriate comparison would be to the production and distribution of nuclear weapons. In this regard, whether Hussein knew the anthrax was going to be used against us or not is beside the point. The mere fact that he is willing to distribute weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups means that he presents a clear and present danger to the world in general, and to the United States in particular. As a result, he has to be eliminated pronto.

[sbelew]

I'm hoping the links to the (com)Post are deliberate misinformation to spread some confusion as to what our next move will be - AND, as a bonus, to make Woodward & company look as silly as a monkey fornicating with a football.

If this isn't what's afoot, then I'm a little nervous.

[sbelew]

oops... LINKS = LEAKS

[Sabertooth]

"Why is Fleischer doing backflips in order to deny obvious Iraqi involvement?" He doesn't want to deny the obvious, he wants to delay it, at the President's instruction.

We have to delay...

The Showdown with Sadaam.

How do we know it's delay and not deny?

Because we keep hearing from President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld that this war is going to last years. I don't think so... not in the Afghanistan Campaign it isn't.

So there's more. Recall the deal we just cut with Iran, allowing for our pilots to crash-land in their territory, and they would do humanitarian rescue. Between the lines, that means we're getting use of their airspace, since only if a pilot is shot down there would anyone know we were there. This gives Iran a built-in out against the radicals if this should happen,

Why are we doing this with them? Not for Afghanistan. This is for Iraq, whom Iran hates. Remember that during the Gulf War in '90-'91, Bush the Elder neglected to bring Iran into the coalition, and Sadaam pulled off a deal to stash the bulk of his air force in Iran just prior to Desert Storm. Dubya isn't repeating that mistake, and Iran recognizes that a bio, chem ,and possibly nuke-capable Sadaam isn't in their long-term or short term best interests.

So why delay, and not strike?

In addition to the logistics abroad, consider:

We're under bio-attack. A biological WMD has been used against us, on American soil, for the first time in our History. In world History.

And these aren't really attacks. They're advertisements. We know Sadaam has more than anthrax letters in his arsenal. He has better anthrax with better delivery systems, smallpox, VX gas, and no one in our government can say for sure that he doesn't have nukes. He's letting us know that his arsenal is already here. We need time to stop what's brewing here, because it isn't pretty.

9/11 wasn't his best shot. He's got a knife to our throat. That's why we're being goaded into this war.

Sadaam Hussein is holding cards that we don't want him to play, so we try to crack as many of the sleeper terrorists as possible before striking Iraq.

That's why we're delaying....

Momentarily.

[vbmoneyspender]

If your analysis is correct, don't you think it is beyond despicable to leak that right wing groups might be involved with this. Also, do you really think it is wise for our leaders to try and 'protect' us from the truth?

[The Magical Mischief Tour]

Does anyone here doubt for one moment, that the time to kill is clearly upon us? That we are at war with more than just Afghanistan, we are at war with every muslim nation that openly hates us. We must respond in kind...

Folks, it's crystal clear, the time to kill is here, it's us or them, all or nothing. To call for the complete and total anhilation of a part of a civilization is quite strong. But remember, it was not us who attacked them.

[Sabertooth]

If your analysis is correct, don't you think it is beyond despicable to leak that right wing groups might be involved with this

Don't necessarily have on opinion on that... Doesn't sting, like it did with Clinton, because I guess I see the tide rolling Sadaam's way.

The right wing anthrax theory has no traction, so I really don't care. We're going after Sadaam, 85% to 95% of America will support that war, and the right-wing thing will be forgotten.

Too much has changed for too many since 9/11.

[Brett66]

As far as I'm concerned this is enough evidence to pull the trigger. It's time to send Saddam to hell.

[okie01]

"...particularly given that the gov't is leaking false reports to Bob (I Can Speak to the Dead) Woodward that right wingers are involved."

Note that Bob Woodward's "government sources" are never identified. Leading me to believe that Deep Throat has been resurrected. Or that Woodward's making it up as he goes along...

[onyx]

Our military was so wiped-out and politically cleansed during the eight years of Clinton, that we are unable to launch a full-out war on two fronts without the use of nukes.

The WH will wait for the results from ALL lab tests, and likely not announce the findings to the press. Let the speculations roll. Plenty of time to wage war, and when we do, it must be a "big-time" surprise..... (without media in the loop).

Iraq must be lulled into thinking that they're 'off-the-hook.'

[Travis McGee]

Don't forget the terrorist just arrested leaving Germany with the bio hazard suit and jihad books and tapes in his luggage.

And the terrorist just picked up by the FBI at the Phoenix airport on the jet from London. He's a flight instructor, who left the USA for Japan on September 11.

Not to mention all the wierd "arabs with heavy orange backpacks" reports out of Phoenix.

Is something big afoot, or are we just beginning to pay attention?

[okie01]

"...don't you think it is beyond despicable to leak that right wing groups might be involved with this."

Of course. But is it leaking? Or are NBC, CNN and the Post drawing on their own fevered imaginations?

[vbmoneyspender]

Here are the sources he cites:

Top FBI and CIA officials believe that the anthrax attacks on Washington, New York and Florida are likely the work of one or more extremists in the United States who are probably not connected to Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda terrorist organization, government officials said yesterday.

He could be making this up, but I believe he would only do that if it involved dead FBI and/or CIA sources. Like maybe a combination of J. Edgar Hoover and James Jesus Angleton.

[Travis McGee]

WMD from Iraq have been used against us in the USA. The terrorists may have barrels more of the stuff. Have you read the Phoenix thread about the terrorist pilot just arrested, and the "singing arabs" on the mountain top next to Phoenix with the "heavy orange backpacks"?

Our policy for 50 years has been that an attack with bio WMD would be answered with nukes. Time to find out.