They were fighting for liberties which we did not have back then.
"To understand political power aright, and derive it from its original, we must consider what state all men are naturally in, and that is a state of perfect freedom to order their actions and dispose of their possessions and persons as they see fit. Within the bounds of the law of nature, without asking leave or depending upon the will of any other man." Locke
Now we are fighting for our very lives and existance as a nation.
America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. Abraham Lincoln
I think John Adams and the gang would understand that certain things need to change for the good of our national security.
They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither safety nor liberty. Benjamin Franklin
Calm down, and don't worry so much about our civil liberties....and start worrying about what is really important right now.
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans ..." Bill Clinton
Everything else will work itself out in the end.
"He who jumps to conclusions falls to their death." -- Mark J. Ottaviani
I do not think they would see it that way.
" They were fighting for liberties which we did not have back then."
Yes liberties that today congress and the president so freely signed away to the likes of the Fumbling Bumbling Incompetent FBI and that later can be used by the likes of another Bill Clinton.
" Now we are fighting for our very lives and existence as a nation."
And we have the ability to win without any American citizen loosing one single right or liberty.
"I think John Adams and the gang would understand that certain things need to change for the good of our national security.
John Adams said 'Government turns every contingency into a means of enhancing power and the and the government."
James Madison said "Since the general civilization of mankind I believe there are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment by those in power than by violent and sudden usurption.
I cant think of one founding father who would say this was all well and good.
Calm down, and don't worry so much about our civil liberties..."
Don't worry about civil liberties....how sad that is to hear from any American
and start worrying about what is really important right now.
This is important to me. There is not a dang thing I can do to stop those terrorist and giving up my rights certainly wont help. These terrorist are not AMERICAN, they have no rights here. Look the INS could have been giving broader power in some of these areas. Innocent Americans will have to deal with these sneaky things the government can now do and if you dont think so your wrong. .
Everything else will work itself out in the end."
I bet it will.
Our founding fathers were indeed fighting for liberties they had as they are GOD given rights.
The Bill of Rights merely enumerates those GOD given rights, rights that those currently in power seek to deny.
26 October 2001, the day that freedom died.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This statement should be frmaed and given a very special place on the wall in the museum of absurdity.
You should change your nick to "Pollyanna". Also, hope I never send you an e-mail, because with some of the things I've said on this forum, I'm positive I'm on some agency's "list" for something or other. And with this new legislation, just being contacted by an undesirable (like getting an e-mail from a FR poster with a big mouth) gives Gov lackies in bad clothes the ability to monitor all your communication and listen to all of your conversations, in many cases with no form judicial review whatsoever.
Are you comfortable with that, or are you just loaded up on happy pills?
And that's what I'm afraid of. Working this out might get someone hurt.
#1: Back then, we were extremely careful about who we let in our borders. If we hadn't had an INS that's asleep at the wheel and run by liberals, the damn terrorists wouldn't have gotten in our borders in the first place!
#2: The secularization of our society has produced ever-larger numbers of people who do not live morally. Plus, the liberal judges let criminals off the hook. End result: the terrorists and thugs have free reign in our country. The fact that enough sinful idiots put a psychopath and his malignant narcissist wife in office twice speaks for itself. If we as a people had been more vigilant about demanding moral and ethical behavior from our politicians and fellow citizens, and had kept the turdworld trash out, then America would still be safe.
The Founders spent years being invaded by the mightiest nation on Earth, which would have hanged them for treason if it had won. It doesn't get much worse than that.