[TopDog2]

For our Mahdi, there are two signs. Since the birth of Universe, these events have never taken place. Those two signs are that there will be Lunar Eclipse on the first night of Ramadhan and Solar Eclipse in the middle of Ramadhan.

OK astronomy buffs. We should be able to calculate when this will occur. When is it?

[Sabertooth]

Those two signs are that there will be Lunar Eclipse on the first night of Ramadhan and Solar Eclipse in the middle of Ramadhan.

OK astronomy buffs. We should be able to calculate when this will occur. When is it?

Ramadan's coming up. Even if it's not this year astronomically, he could fake the rest if he's got a good audience, a "miraculous" entrance, and a timely release of a WMD in America.

Bet you half the moslems here would join.

[Sabertooth]

"OK astronomy buffs. We should be able to calculate when this will occur. When is it?"

Not sure about the next time, but according to this, the last time it occurred was in 1894.

An Eclipsed Fraud
or A Fraud of Eclipse?

"Similarly if he asks that your Prophet had prophecised that at the time of appearance of Imam Mahdi, moon will get eclipsed in the first day of the days of its eclipse and sun will eclipse in the middle date of Ramadhan and these two eclipses took place in the Ramadhan of 1894 but there is no sign of Imam Mahdi ?

You will have nothing to say except silence or embarassment."

[John Locke]

The answer is "never". In the Moslem calendar, the month always begins with the sighting of the new moon. So the first night of Ramadan will always fall on a new moon, when a lunar eclipse is impossible.

By the way, almost all Moslems deny the authenticity of this hadith. It was first recorded by Amr bin Shamir, who was a notorious liar, and his attribution of the saying to "Mohammed bin Ali", ie Imam Baqir, is almost certainly fraudulent.