Fair enuff...and in light of the Terrorist Actions of 9/11, these folks are particularly emboldened. However, please note that these folks are admittedly "self-appointed" and the legitimacy of their claims is only retained if they buttress their opinions with facts!!
"Do they have the right to say what they please, absolutely. But their ruse of pretending to be the vestal virgins, pure as the driven snow and above approach is revoltingly transparent."
If you are referring to the FReeper who called you to my attention, I DO NOT see where she has EVER claimed to be a "Vestal Virgin," and she has also made clear her pro-Israel bias.
"Still, it seems to me there may be better ways of making this point than consciously attempting to come off on-Forum as an anti-Semite, even if you are only being facetious." (my comment)
"Where have I come off as an Anti-Semite? Even here you continue to toss the Tar Baby out, trying the tried and true, throw enough fecal matter on the wall & hope some sticks. You and the PC Israel first posse accuse me of anti-Semitism merely because I dare question your tactics and point out their Achilles heel fallacies."
Re-read my comments carefully and you will have to admit that I never accused you of being an "Anti-Semite." YOU were the one who said you were using the anti-Anti-Semite's own tactics against them, which I assumed meant you were attempting to quell honest debate by slanderously labeling another's viewpoints as illegitimate by linking them with factions which we mostly all agree are less-than-100% reputable.
"That entire [Clinton/Barak] process was a farce, no one was serious, it was a Clintonian photo op, nothing more, nothing less. Neither the PLO or Israel intended for any positive results, they were there because Clinton forced them to be there, but once there, he could not force them to do what he wanted for his legacy."
Agree 100%!!
"On the other side of the coin Israel must come forth with a viable acceptable plan to present for the establishment of a Palestinian state. The latest gallop poll taken in Israel show 61% of Israelis want to see a Palestinian state. Israel presently maintains an absolute choke hold on the Palestinian people, maintaining such a policy is vital for security. Which is true, and so long as Israel continues said policy, the Palestinians will continue with their policy of terror, and nothing changes."
Well, more than 61% of Americans continued to support a Felon, a Rapist, a Murderer, a Traitor, and a Tyrant in the White House just a coupla years back, so pardon me if the poll numbers don't mean SQUAT to me!! When push-came-to-shove, I do not believe a majority of Isrealis would support the establishment of a Palestinian State that would have the Power to amass an Army who's Raison d'etre was the Destruction of Isreal.
"Without both sides biting the bullet, they will continue in a reactive mode, unable to seize the proactive initiative for reaching a real meaningful compromise. A sad truth that drives the zealots here and elsewhere into a frenzy is, that in the eyes of most of the world, Israel is on the verge of becoming a rogue nation. All the screaming of invectives and the gnashing of teeth will avail them naught, perception becomes self fulfilling, the longer the perception prevails."
Rogue Nation, my A$$!! You let me murder your kids at a Disco or a Shopping Mall and we'll see if you and yer wife don't start screaming a few invectives and gnashing yer teeth just a bit!!!
"Name me the nations of the world friendly to Israel’s current stance, name the nations outright unfriendly to Israel? Now one can be in denial, but the facts remain the facts and the world’s people determine these particular facts."
What a BS argument!! Based on that IGNORANT LOGIC, I'll bet you also believe Kofi Annan is the Second Coming!! SHEEEESH...the Nations of this World would love it if Israel ceased to exist because--in their mind--Middle East tensions would Cease To Exist. Hogwash!! Before the MidEast had Israel to HATE, they hated each other with similar passion.
"I see Israel and the EU on a future collision course, ir-regardles of the special US/ Israeli relationship. The EU needs a true lasting peace in the middle east, they see the current crisis as destabilizing, and a very real threat to Europe proper. the Israeli Palestinian conflict drives 1.4 billion people of the Islamic faith to produce madmen who prostitute legitimate concerns into what produces the extremist suicidal fanatics now confronted on a world wide scale. Europe has a huge domestic Islamic population. EU economic ties to the Islamic world is 100 fold compare to that which they hold with Israel. The EU simply will not tolerate Israel’s war spilling over into their streets, nor are they going to fight a continuation of what they perceive to be Israel’s war on the European mainland."
"Israel's War" you say...that's not your perception, right? That's just the EU's perception, right?! Nice attempt at nuance, dude, but that turd don't float here!! IMHO, Israel would love a lasting peace, and Americans will continue to support politicians who support a peace-loving Israel!!
"If the middle east problem is not settled, and reaches a critical meltdown crisis point, the EU out of self interest and security will confront and force the PLO and Israel to do what they find they are unable to do themselves."
And what would that be? What would the EU force the PLO and Israel to do?
"And if you EVER thought Osama bin Laden had any "legitimacy" whatsoever in Murdering Thousands of Innocents, well...you and your extremism are well on your way towards losing posting privileges anyway. Or is that your Ultimate Goal?"
Your link was helpful in demonstrating you are not a knee-jerk bin Laden apologist...thank you.
"You know, lies, and cheap intellectually bankrupt fraud gives no credence to your insinuations made here. You offer no evidence to substantiate any of your accusations, you just sling the fecal matter, and pray it works. You have went from yelling the sticky anti-Semitic Tar Baby to the full mantra of one who cannot confront the truth. I posted my charges catagorically, and gave a proof positive recorded brief for all to see. You propose nothing in return, but the feel good claptrap of nothingness."
LOL...you humor me. For whatever purpose, you set yourself up as some sort of moderating influence while simultaneously forging a stick into the eye of a pro-Israel group of FReepers who are admittedly relieved that the rest of the World is now coming to understand the zealotry they have been dealing with for generations. There is NO COMPROMISE WITH ZEALOTS, only their absolute annihilation and the salting of the Earth behind them!! To pretend otherwise--even if done only facetiously to make a point--jeopardizes the credibility of your Screen Name, whether or not you retain posting privileges.
Nothingnessly yers...MUD
Thank you for your defense, it was excellent and well written. Obviously, Damien is a globalist. Most of us here, are against the EU, and a world government. We feel the US is a separate and independent nation who many died to protect and create.
As a patriotic person, I feel Damien's quotes and reasoning stating the position of the EU, says much about where he retrieves his information.
Thanks again my true friend,
KLT
You never responded on-Forum to my #262 and I don't have the time or inclination to waste respondin' to yer mean-spirited FReepMails...c'mon DemonSeed, let us air our differences in Public!!
Hypocritically yers...MUD