Is Michigan a Terror Stronghold?

"Mark my words, somebody is coming after the Patriots."

The patriots are currently gunning down your moslem cohorts in Afghanistan from the safety and comfort of their helicopter gunships.

And the patriots in New York are digging the bodies of their countrymen -- crushed to death by your fanatic moslem cohorts -- out of the rubble that fell on 9/11.

Someone is coming after them? I pity the fools.

Mark my words, somebody is coming after the Patriots. If you're too blind to see it, so be it.

Care to expand on this cryptic comment?

Not me. I am way too lazy to be a terrorist. Besides, it was require me actually logging off of here and accomplishing something. Not gonna happen. LOL

If I am not mistaken Christian Arabs joined the Muslims protesting sanctions against Iraq. Tariq Azziz,Saddam's mouthpiece is a Christian Arab.

"If I am not mistaken Christian Arabs joined the Muslims protesting sanctions against Iraq. Tariq Azziz,Saddam's mouthpiece is a Christian Arab."

If you could give a source for this statement I would appreciate it. I live and work with a number of Caldeans in Metro Detroit.

Believe it or not, a couple were picked up in Copper Harbor shortly after the 11th, ostensibly on their way to Isle Royale, though I'm unsure of their nationality, and I've heard nothing of them since....(Copper Harbor is in Keweenaw County, and over the winter, I don't think the population is over one hundred.) But then, maybe they were interested in doing some reconnoitering of Manitou Island, where the military is engaged in the training of a highly specialized team of foxy urban bunnies in pink spandex. These are not your usual foxy urban bunnies, no, but a genetically-altered combo of the fabled swamp ape and the jackolope, a kind of fuzzy-tailed spec-op warrior able to infiltrate caverns with ease. A bin laden tally-whacker in the form of a CPR dummy is used to keep the spec-op, foxy bunny swamp apes content...they are keen on ripping the rubber heart from said dummy and throwing it deeper into the darkness of the cave

All I can think to say to the terrorists who may be lurking here is: Be uh-fraid, be very uh-fraid!

"Who is the unusual leader that serves as one of the most powerful diplomats of the Middle East? He is a Christian Arab that has cultivated a smooth, cosmopolitan manner and traveled extensively (Yeltiv 136). He usually wears a traditional suit and tie for press conferences and Western television interviews. In addition, he majored in English literature at Baghdad University and even served as a secondary school teacher (Fox News). Could this description actually be precise in revealing Saddam Hussein's right-hand man and most loyal ally in the Baath Party? Yes, this is the accurate description of Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz who not only faithfully serves Hussein, but who also plays a key role in the progression of Iraq.

Tariq Aziz was born in 1936 in the northern Iraqi City of Tell Kaif, near Mosul. He was named Michael Yuhanna but later changed his name to the known title of Tariq Aziz, which means "glorious past" to achieve acceptance within the Muslim majority (Fox News). Aziz first met Hussein in the 1950s when he became involved with the revolutionary Baath Party that seized power in Iraq by overthrowing the British installed monarchy (Fox News). Aziz served as a propagandist and editor of the Baath Party newspaper, "al -Thawra," which means "the revolution" in Arabic (Yeltiv 136). When the Baath Party seized power in Iraq in 1968, it was only natural for the cultivated Aziz, a master negotiator and loyal Baththist, to rise to prominence in Iraqi politics. While Aziz has currently served as Depute Prime Minister of Iraq since 1979, he served as a member of the Regional Command (the Baath party's highest governing unit) from 1974-1977 (Fox News). In addition, Aziz was named Foreign Minister in 1983 during the Iraq/Iran War (Fox News). As the present Deputy Prime Minister of Iraq, Tariq Aziz's role is primarily chief diplomat; he explains and defends Iraq's policies to the world and shows loyalty to President Hussein. For example, Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz met with United States Secretary of State James Baker in Geneva, Switzerland prior to the United States led-attack on Iraq in 1990. At this meeting, Aziz refused to take George Bush's letter to Hussein because Aziz viewed it as insulting to his president (Baker 354-365). While some efforts by Aziz have been successful in achieving peace and stability, many political leaders believe Aziz is a mere mouthpiece of Saddam Hussein (Fox News). Therefore, Aziz's influence is questionable concerning his role as Deputy Prime Minister, for he also had no problem supporting Saddam's brutal policies on the homefront during the Gulf Crisis. Aziz places much emphasis on national self-determination and free will.

He condemned fellow Arab states for what he calls, "subservience to United States hegemony in the Middle East and their support for punitive sanctions," imposed against Iraq by the United Nations since 1990 (ABC News). To explain, according to the United States Energy Information Administration, Iraq was producing over 3-million b/d and exporting 2.8 million b/d, prior to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait in 1990. Iraq's oil exports were forbidden by the United Nations Security Council Resolution 661. In April 1995, the Security Council passed Resolution 986, which allows limited Iraqi oil exports for humanitarian needs and war reparations to Kuwait. These exports have drastically increased since February 20, 1998 to 5.265 billion over a 180-day period (USA Energy Information Administration). While Iraq may be "reaping the profits" of the increased exports and Tariq Aziz's desire for national self-determination is being fulfilled, the international oil economy is suffering from the low oil prices (a direct result of increased Iraqi exports). Regarding the sanctions, Aziz believes the United Nations sanctions are not indicative of the United Nations but are being implemented as the result of United States governmental policies (PBS News). Therefore, he supported the expulsion of Americans working for the United Nations Special Commissions (UNSCOM) in 1997. Aziz furthermore argues that the invasion of Kuwait in 1990 was necessary because the increased oil production of Kuwait dampened Iraqi oil revenues (PBS News). According to Aziz, previous to the Kuwait invasion, Iraq was actually trying to rebuild its country from the long and expensive war with Iran, along with serving as a model of an effective modern state (PBS News). Last, Aziz's attitude towards Israel is one of disapproval. While Aziz supports the diplomatic efforts conducted by Israel and the Arab states, he is an ardent supporter of liberation for the occupied territories. Hopefully, the oil policies and international relationships practiced by Iraq are more evident as a result of this role profile analysis of Tariq Aziz. There is opportunity for Aziz to play many upcoming roles as the "mouthpiece" of Hussein with the arrival of lifted sanctions. What will the lifted sanctions, resulting in new oil and gas development in Iraq by countries such as Russia, China, and France, mean for Iraq? Obviously, the policy of self-determination sponsored by Aziz will accelerate, while hope for increased international oil prices may grow dimmer.

On a Google search you will find quite a few articles documenting this, -- Oakland County residents will commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the Persian Gulf War this weekend with a silent march and public discussion of whether it's time to end the sanctions that have crippled Iraq for the past decade. /menulede--> ; Signs are prepared for a protest marking the 10th anniversary of the Gulf War./caption--> Peace Action to march against Iraq sanctions - 01/11/01

Thursday, January 11, 2001

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Peace Action to march against Iraq sanctions
Ferndale group says policy hurts innocent

Bridget Barrett

Brad van Guilder, left, state organizer for Peace Action of Michigan, and Jeff Nelson, racism and Human Rights coordinator for Groundwork, will participate in the march.

Gulf War anniversary

   The Silent March and Forum to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the Persian Gulf War begins at 10:45 a.m. Saturday in the parking lot of St. James Church in Ferndale, on Woodward, just south of Nine Mile. At noon, there will be a forum to discuss the social, political and ethical issues of UN sanctions against Iraq. For information, call (313) 297-8808.

Bridget Barrett

Signs are prepared for a protest marking the 10th anniversary of the Gulf War.

By Jennifer Brooks / The Detroit News

    FERNDALE -- Oakland County residents will commemorate the 10-year anniversary of the Persian Gulf War this weekend with a silent march and public discussion of whether it's time to end the sanctions that have crippled Iraq for the past decade.
   "There is no reason for the Iraqi people to be suffering like this," said Brad van Guilder, a physicist-turned-activist who heads the Ferndale-based group Peace Action of Michigan. He has seen the suffering first hand. In December 1999, he joined other activists from Metro Detroit on an inspection tour of the devastated country.
   There they saw schools shattered by bombs, and cities reeking with raw sewage because the country has been unable to rebuild its water and sanitation systems. And everywhere, he said, he saw children dying.
   "Why are you doing this to us? Why?" one father screamed at him during a tour through a Baghdad hospital. The man clutched a blood-soaked rag that his leukemia-stricken daughter had been coughing into all day. With medical supplies in short supply because of the sanctions, the death rate from leukemia is almost 100 percent, he said.
   The Ferndale group is coordinating Metro Detroit Against Sanctions, one of many groups across the nation calling for an end to the sanctions. Since the war, at least 10,000 Iraqi refugees have flooded into Metro Detroit -- many of them doctors and other white-collar professionals who have gone on to make their homes in Oakland.
   The Chaldean Federation of America in Southfield estimates there are 120,000 Chaldeans living in Metro Detroit, the vast majority in Oakland County.
   Back home, they leave a country where 1.2 million civilians have died of hunger, disease and deprivation since the end of the Gulf War, which began on Jan. 18, 1991, with the first air strikes of Operation Desert Storm against Iraq.
   "We must ask ourselves, 'Who are the sanctions hurting?' They're hurting the Iraqi people," said Anan Ameri of the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services. "Is it not enough that they are suffering under a bad leader? We are punishing them for having a bad leader."
   Two U.S. administrations have insisted that sanctions will remain in place as long as Saddam Hussein remains in power.
   But the allies also acknowledge the terrible toll sanctions have taken on Iraqi civilians.
   The "oil-for-food" program allows Iraq to sell up to $5.2 billion worth of oil every six months, through a UN escrow account, in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian supplies. A third of the revenue also goes to Kuwait as war reparations and to reimburse the United Nations for its monitoring efforts.
   U.S. officials say Hussein has not taken full advantage of the program, but in the first eight years, the program helped Iraq purchase $2.75 billion worth of supplies for water purification, sanitation, electricity and education program.

You can reach Jennifer Brooks at (248) 647-8825 or jbrooks@detnews.com.

Ok. I didn't think the problem was limited to MI, but I am concerned that it is widespread across the US. We DO have an internal problem. How severe that problem is remains to be seen. I sure hope that this is not as bad as it seems.

On top of having no sane immigration policy, no sane policy on student visas, no sane policy on tourism, no sane policy about illegal aliens(they give them a college education, and grade A medical with prescriptions unlike our seniors ), but all of our alphabet agencies haven't decided yet whether this is a criminal case or WAR crimes.

When are they going to realize that we have a greater worry on our hands than taking these scum barbarians to court. Fellas, we are at WAR. Protect the population.

While they treat anyone who calls himself a patriot, tax protester as the enemy at war( they brought tanks to WACO!), they are dancing around the real menace in our midst.

I am not comfortable with our President learning the Koran in the Oval Office with a cleric. Who is fooling whom? Our enemies say we are at war with Islam. Why don't we believe our enemies?

Is anyone going to tell me that a pro Bin Laden speaker did not appear in a Mosque in the US prior to 9-11. Not one? No Muslims in the whole US heard the call to make Jihad against America right here in the good old USA? Not one? Has anyone come forward saying, psst FBI Bin Laden agents were recruiting here. Silence? Well. I am sure there are Muslims on FR. Please enlighten me. Can you assure me that no agents from the highjacked Islam ever appeared at your Mosques, your conventions, your kids' summer camps? Have you come forward and turned in those who invited these scumbags? Have Muslims here in the US put a bounty on the head of anyone who tries to recruit their kids for the highjacked version of Islam?

Hey Moderator!

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You are absolutely no fun at all.