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To: Star Traveler
Well, in that sense -- Jesus is a Zionist.

Uhhh, can you give me a New Testament quote to back up that claim? Not a Hollywood movie quote, but a Bible quote.

Hey, take a look at this........ “If you tame the beast correctly, he may crouch and wait for you. But you will rule over him. And you will learn to use his resources for your gain.”

The “beast” is anyone they don’t like but live among. Zionists teach their kids this stuff. If you disagree with them in any way, you become the “beast”.

LINK

This is a Zionist website.

135 posted on 10/20/2001 1:44:03 PM PDT by Fred25
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To: Fred25

Uhhh, can you give me a New Testament quote to back up that claim?

The Bible includes the Old Testament and the New Testament. We don't separate them. They are joined together as an integrated whole. Jesus spoke exclusively in regards to the Old Testament, because He is a Jew. When He returns as the Messiah, He returns as the King of the Jews -- and -- as King of Kings (over all other nations and rulers).

Jesus is a Zionist because He will return all the Jews to their land and be their King.

Jesus says --


  Matthew 5:17-18 
      
  17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or 
     the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to 
     fulfill. 
      
  18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and 
     earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no 
     means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

All will not be fulfilled until we reach the end of Revelation and the Great White Throne Judgement and the New Jerusalem and when the final enemy of "death" is put away in the lake of fire. That comes after the Messiah's 1,000 year rule over all the nations from His ruling position in Israel, in Jerusalem -- over all the nations. If that ain't a Zionist, I don't know what is... :-)

That's returning to the land, fully, the full restoration of Israel as God intended, the kingship of the Messiah over the land of Israel and ruling over all the nations of the world. Is that good enough for you?

But, to add to that, let's look at The Apostle Paul.


  Romans 11:26-29 
      
  26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is 
     written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And 
     He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 
      
  27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take 
     away their sins." 
      
  28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your 
     sake, but concerning the election they are beloved 
     for the sake of the fathers. 
      
  29 For the gifts and the calling of God are 
     irrevocable.

I give you the complete chapter, because it's all very important and it shows that God has not abandoned Israel and will fully restore them to the land and fulfill all His promises -- as the "gifts and calling of God are irrevocable". He says He will do them for His name's sake. None of His promises to Israel will be disregarded.


  Romans 11 
      
   1 I say then, has God cast away His people? 
     Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the 
     seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 
      
   2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. 
     Or do you not know what the Scripture says of 
     Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, 
     saying, 
      
   3 "Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn 
     down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek 
     my life"? 
      
   4 But what does the divine response say to him? "I 
     have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have 
     not bowed the knee to Baal." 
      
   5 Even so then, at this present time there is a 
     remnant according to the election of grace. 
      
   6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; 
     otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of 
     works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no 
     longer work. 
      
   7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; 
     but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were 
     blinded. 
      
   8 Just as it is written: "God has given them a 
     spirit of stupor, Eyes that they should not see And 
     ears that they should not hear, To this very day." 
      
   9 And David says: "Let their table become a snare 
     and a trap, A stumbling block and a recompense to 
     them. 
      
  10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not 
     see, And bow down their back always." 
      
  11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should 
     fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to 
     provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the 
     Gentiles. 
      
  12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and 
     their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more 
     their fullness! 
      
  13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an 
     apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 
      
  14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those 
     who are my flesh and save some of them. 
      
  15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling 
     of the world, what will their acceptance be but life 
     from the dead? 
      
  16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also 
     holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 
      
  17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and 
     you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among 
     them, and with them became a partaker of the root 
     and fatness of the olive tree, 
      
  18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do 
     boast, remember that you do not support the root, 
     but the root supports you. 
      
  19 You will say then, "Branches were broken off that 
     I might be grafted in." 
      
  20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken 
     off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but 
     fear. 
      
  21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He 
     may not spare you either. 
      
  22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of 
     God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, 
     goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise 
     you also will be cut off. 
      
  23 And they also, if they do not continue in 
     unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to 
     graft them in again. 
      
  24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which 
     is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to 
     nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more 
     will these, who are natural branches, be grafted 
     into their own olive tree? 
      
  25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be 
     ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in 
     your own opinion, that blindness in part has 
     happened to Israel until the fullness of the 
     Gentiles has come in. 
      
  26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is 
     written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And 
     He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; 
      
  27 For this is My covenant with them, When I take 
     away their sins." 
      
  28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your 
     sake, but concerning the election they are beloved 
     for the sake of the fathers. 
      
  29 For the gifts and the calling of God are 
     irrevocable. 
      
  30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have 
     now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 
      
  31 even so these also have now been disobedient, 
     that through the mercy shown you they also may 
     obtain mercy. 
      
  32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, 
     that He might have mercy on all.  
      
  33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom 
     and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His 
     judgments and His ways past finding out! 
      
  34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who 
     has become His counselor?" 
      
  35 "Or who has first given to Him And it shall be 
     repaid to him?" 
      
  36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all 
     things, to whom be glory forever. Amen. 

148 posted on 10/20/2001 2:15:07 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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