Posted on 10/19/2001 4:52:04 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE
.."No matter what happens, I did nothing wrong".. stated American Hero JOHNNY CHUNG just as his Court Hearing before Federal Judge MANUEL "Loose Cannon" REAL was due to commence 1/2 hour late in Los Angeles Federal Courthouse this morning.
...JOHNNY CHUNG had been brought to Court over his 3,000 hrs CHINA-GATE Probation Sentence brought by this Judge, that he has completed over 2,000 hrs of in 2 years, because his new Probation Supervising CAL-TRANS was refusing to assign him the Work that would finish his Probation Sentence. Confusing...? Not where CHINA-GATE and the Democrats in California State Government are concerned.
...Enter Judicial Watch's Judge Monitoring Program Manager and Former Los Angeles Prosecutor STERLING "ERNIE" NORRIS who filed to become JOHNNY's Associate Attorney to literally sit alongside his present Democrat FootSoldier Attorney BRIAN SUN..at JOHNNY's request.
...An understanding came during this Hearing between Att. SUN and the Prosecuting Asst. U.S. Attorney O'BRIEN, yes he of .."Just Call 911, Johnny".. & CHINA-GATE's KingPin JAMES RIADY .."Get out of Jail Free".. Hearing in March of 2001.
...In this understanding JOHNNY was taking responsibility for his part in a "Communications Breakdown" between he and CAL-TRANS. To which Judge REAL stated .."Things will be done my way, not JOHNNY CHUNG's way...!"
...In the end he ordered the Probation Dept to STOP treating Probationer JOHNNY CHUNG in any "Special Way" as it has been doing thru supervising CAL-TRANS' assigning a third party to keep track of JOHNNY's Probrationary hours ..because CAL-TRANS didn't want to. This had put JOHNNY CHUNG in the Middle ...probably by design ..as it stopped him from being assigned the Community Service Work he needed to do in order to finish his 3,000 hrs Probation ..earning him a trip to Los Angeles Federal Court. A Probation which is 7.5 times Federal Probation Guidlines as assigned by Judge REAL.
...A Good Crowd of 30 or 40 people was on hand in Court of JOHNNY's Supporters from his Church -&- YMCA he did Community Service in, his Family, Friends, Talk Radio Listeners -&- Freepers 'goldilucky' -&- 'ALOHA RONNIE' ...to support his and Judicial Watch's Fight for CHUNG's continued Freedom.
...What kind of -Fight for Freedom- was it...?
...Judge REAL's parting shot at JOHNNY CHUNG while granting a continuation of his .."Same Probation as before"..
.."You can't continue doing what you're doing or you are going to Jail, JOHNNY CHUNG"... that's how close.
American Hero JOHNNY CHUNG, in an Era of American Heroes, remains a Free Man this Day.
...I have been so very blessed to have been chosen to be a mere Witness to the True Heroism of Others from the -Freedom Fighters- at the Battle of IA DRANG-1965 to our own Homefront -Freedom Fighters- against the Enemy that is now Within.
...The War has indeed Come Home and so blessed am I.
...Thank you JOHNNY CHUNG, Family -&- JUDICIAL WATCH ...American Heroes all ...in a -Time for Heroes....as
...GOD smiles down on you all ...BROADLY.
NEVER FORGET
You got that straight, MissP; and for those two reasons alone?
...& if JohnnyC never did another thing?
There should have a bronze bust of this man erected across the street & facing the *planned* Sink Emporer Library in Little Rock, AR.
You're damned right...
And Sarge, I respectfully ask you not forget mentioning MissP's hub in your salute.
A few minor corrections from someone who worked close to Johnny (my husband). When Johnny was originally sentenced back in Dec. 1998, Judge Real put Johnny on 5 years probation and gave him 3,000 hours of community service to perform AT THE DIRECTION OF THE PROBATION DEPT. The probation officers (Dems.) decided to make him do the 3,000 hours in 3 years - about 20 hours per week. His initial place of community service was at his church and everything went well UNTIL Oct. 1999 when he made the keynote speech at Judicial Watch's 5th anniversary conference in Pasadena, CA. Suddenly, ACCORDING TO THE PROBATION OFFICERS, his church was no place to perform community service AND they increased his community-service hours from 20 to 25/week! Then he was placed at the YMCA, along with other probationers. Sometime while he was at the Y, the other probationers were taken away BY THE PROBATION DEPT. and only Johnny and his supervisor were doing the work of the formerly 10 - 12 men! - Johnny lost 40 lbs. during this time. The probation officers, still not satisfied that Johnny had been broken, took him away from the Y and let him sit for 3 months without giving him an assignment. After a 3-month lay-off, the probation dept. finally put him on CalTrans. This is highly unusual as CalTrans is usually a place for state/county probationers - not FEDERAL probationers! In addition, CalTrans was required BY THE PROBATION DEPT. to perform certain reporting requirements for Johnny that CalTrans didn't have to do for anyone else!
In January, 2001, Johnny told the Probation Dept. that his father had died and that his wife would have to attend to the funeral arrangements, etc. in Canada, as he was not allowed to go out of county, let alone out of country. He told them that he was going to have to baby-sit his two little kids while she was gone and he might not be able to perform the 100 hours for Feb. 2001. During Feb., there were 5 days of rain when no one worked on CalTrans, in addition to the fact that his kids were very sick and he couldn't leave them. It should be noted that Johnny not only worked the hours imposed on him by the Probation Dept., he worked MORE THAN the hours they required. For 22 months, he was ahead of the game. This, however, didn't deter the Probation Dept. from claiming that he didn't work the hours required in Feb. (82 out of 100?) and this is what they hung their hat on when they claimed that he had violated probation! A specious claim and disingenuous at best!
In addition, the Probation Dept. claimed that Johnny hadn't REALLY worked the hours that the Y certified and tried to get the judge to yank some 623 hours! Johnny gave Judge Real a letter signed by the top execs. of the Y who said how Johnny had served "with a servant's humble heart" and they would gladly welcome him back. Judge Real told the Probation officers, in March, 2001, to go back to the Y and get the matter cleared up. The probation dept. waited till about 8-27 (5 months later) before notifying Johnny's atty (Brian Sun - who didn't show Johnny the letter) that the 623 hours had been "disallowed".
When Johnny got up court yesterday, the judge bellowed at Johnny because Johnny hadn't performed his community service hours. How could Johnny when the PD hadn't given him any for over 8 months?! What was Johnny supposed to do? Each month, when he wrote his progress report, he noted in the margin that he was still waiting for an assignment to do community service hours. Yes, the judge was right in saying that Johnny PER THE PROBATION DEPT. (the judge's eyes and ears) hadn't served his community-service hours but it wasn't Johnny's fault!
Ernie Norris of Judicial Watch wasn't going to let the shenanigans of the PD slide on this. He brilliantly-issued subpoenas on all of Johnny's past/present probation officers and their supervisors, the workers from "volunteer center" though which Johnny had been placed, the people at the CalTrans and the Y. (It should be further noted that the Probation Dept. had issued subpoenas on these same people, but not themselves.) My husband volunteered to serve all these people - about 14 - and did. It was amazing what the people at CalTrans told him about Johnny BASED ON WHAT DIS-INFO. THEY HAD BEEN GIVEN BY THE PROBATION DEPT. When Hubby showed in court yesterday in a 3-piece suit instead of a polo shirt and trousers, there double-takes, whispers and "deals" going on in the courtroom.
Before Johnny went into court, however, he did what he had done the last time he appeared before Judge Real - he gave my husband his cell-phone, wallet and keys and asked him to take care of his family. My husband told Johnny that he wasn't going to jail but took the items to make him feel better.
I'm told that the courtroom was packed. According to Ernie Norris, when the Judge walked into his court and saw all those people, he probably thought "Whoa! What's going on here?" Hubby said, KIDDINGLY, that Judge Real probably had a tee-off at 12 and wanted to get the heck out of there. But, with all those witnesses, however, it could have gone on for 2 - 3 days - at least ruining his tee-off and even any possible dinner engagement that evening!
Let's be fair. Judge Real yelled at Johnny because the probation dept. had lied to him about Johnny's hours. Sure, Johnny didn't serve community-service hours BECAUSE THEY DELIBERATELY DIDN'T GIVE HIM ANY ASSIGNMENT! The judge had been told OR ASSUMED that Johnny wanted special treatment. Johnny didn't want special treatment - he wanted equal treatment - the same as any other probationer could expect. Because the PD put so many rules and restrictions on his time, he tried: (1) to please everyone; (2) to keep track of his own time records to make sure that he was credited with all the hours he worked; and (3) he kept asking questions to ensure that he was doing everything correctly. Because of this, he was deemed to be a "pest." Since when, I ask you, is being a "pest" a violation of probation? Sheesh, there are guys out there breaking probation by taking off to Mexico for months or robbing banks or dealing in illegal weapons and Johnny is getting "dinged" for being a "pest?" This now makes one wonder seriously about the competence of the people who work in the probation dept. - they don't have anything better to do with their time than create schemes to deny Johnny his hours and then put him in jail?
Anyway, the Judge (as Hubby told Johnny beforehand) had not alternative except to say that Johnny had violated his probation. However, Judge Real, once he understood that the probation dept. had done these things to Johnny, ruled that his orginal order stand (5 years probation and 3,000 hrs community service) and that Johnny was to be treated as all other probationers were treated - equally. Then Judge Real hauled the probation officers lying hides into his chambers.
Johnny, who has a slight hearing impairment, didn't know right away that he was still a free man! Outside the court, my husband - with people gathered 'round - made a little ceremony of handing Johnny's cell-phone, wallet and keys back to him. Johnny's older daughter was the one most visibly affected and cried tears of relief. Johnny's dear mother (who now has cancer) came up and hugged my husband and thanked him for helping Johnny.
I wish I could have been in court with friends, FReepers and others who showed up on Johnny's behalf. Work prevented me from doing same and so I waited by the phone to get my report.
May God richly bless all those who supported Johnny and prayed for him. Continue to keep him and his family in your prayers, please.
As for Johnny's future dealings with the Probation Dept., Ernie Norris of Judicial Watch will be going with Johnny to ensure that everything will be "according to Hoyle" and that Johnny gets equal treatment.
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Ok, fair enough. But how would you distingush Johnny from say a guy like John Dean, who was part of a conspiracy and instead of doing a G. Gordon Liddy and taking his licks with a serious prison sentence, sang like a canary?
Speaking of his family - one other last thing. The Probation Dept. told Johnny earlier this year that he couldn't publish his book (already written) because "it would make a lot of people nervous." (INTERESTING!! I wonder whom they had in mind when they gave Johnny this directive!) Johnny scrapped the book (again, trying to please everyone). If the book had been published, Johnny could have paid off his obligations and still had money to take care of his family. Instead of helping Johnny, the Probation Dept. put road-blocks in every step of his way. With a repenant and humble heart, Johnny never defied them but tried only to please them. (Then the PD was upset with Johnny because they didn't like the fact that he agreed with them - cooperated fully - all the time!)
Johnny, you da man!!
It doesn't say so in your link re John Dean but does "plea bargain" or "plea agreement" say anything to you?
Also, anyone who works for any politico in DC (or home office) is supposed to, when the time calls for it, "fall on the sword" as G. Gordon Liddy did. ("Mea culpa, mea culpa maxima.) Otherwise, you never get hired by any other politico in DC. The politicos in DC expect absolute loyalty from ALL their staffers.
The most recent example of falling on the sword is Gary Condidit's chief of staff Mike Lynch. Yeah, right, it was Lynch's own doing to call the attorney in San Mateo Co. and have the attorney's PI write up an affidavit for Anne Marie Smith to sign. But... that's another thread. NEVER FORGET
But Johnny Chung wasn't on his deathbed, was he? In fact, by turning state's evidence he definitely put his own life at risk. You are aware of the FBI stopping an attempt to assignate him, aren't you? Furthermore, if you want to know how brave Johnny Chung was, just consider this. There is credible evidence to suggest that Ron Brown, Clinton's secretary of Commerce, was murdered ... just days after HE told Clinton (according to sworn testimony) that he was going to turn state's evidence in matters related to Chinagate and campaign finance illegalities by the DNC and Clinton. Chung knew this when he testified.
He was on his legal deathbed. Going to go to prison for a long time. That was the analogy I was making.
There is credible evidence to suggest that Ron Brown, Clinton's secretary of Commerce, was murdered ... just days after HE told Clinton (according to sworn testimony) that he was going to turn state's evidence in matters related to Chinagate and campaign finance illegalities by the DNC and Clinton.
I honestly don't believe a word of that. Brown was on top of the world and had absolutely no motivation that I know of to do that. Do you have a source for this credible evidence?
While we seem to disagree on the degree that Johnny Chung should be held out to be a hero, don't we all agree here that he was part of an overall criminal conspiracy known as the Clinton administration? Maybe not an offical one like with Watergate, but certainly in a polical sense.
It doesn't say so in your link re John Dean but does "plea bargain" or "plea agreement" say anything to you?
Didn't Chung get a lighter sentence (probation) in exchange for testifying and working with the prosecutors? Whats the pratical difference between mercy via actions or mercy via a plea bargin?
no-no...thank you and your man, MissP.
I cannot emphasize that enough.
JOHN HUANG = 300 hours Community Service in U.S.A.
JAMES RIADY = 400 hours Community Service in Indonesia
There is a mountain of evidence pointing to the murder of Ron Brown ... for precisely the reasons I named. First, I will list some of the FACTS known in this case and then cite some of the sources I used to compile these facts. I invite you to try and dispute the facts, the sources or the conclusion I (and others) have drawn.
*******Setting The Stage*******
1) At his death, Ron Brown was under investigation by the FDIC, the Congressional Reform and Oversight Committee, the FBI, the Energy Department, the Senate Judiciary Committee and even his own Commerce Department Inspector General. He was scheduled to be deposed by Judicial Watch regarding the illegal sale of trade mission seats for campaign contributions. The Justice Department asked that the deposition be postponed until he returned from the ill-fated trade mission. He was also about to be indicted by an independent council named Daniel Pearson. Brown's wife and son had already been indicted. Pearson had plenty of documentary evidence and testimony on over a dozen serious crimes (like ending the trade embargo against North Vietname for 700000 dollars in bribes). The situation was so serious that Brown had retained a $750/hour attorney, Reid Weingarten. Brown spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal and matters only got worse. Only days before Brown's death, another 20 witnesses were subpoenaed focusing on Brown's dealings. It seems that an Oklahoma gas company called Dynamic Energy Resources gave Brown’s son Michael $500,000 in stock, a $160,000 cash payment, and exclusive country club memberships. Former Dynamic president Stewart Price told a Tulsa grand jury that the money was to be routed to Ron Brown, who was expected to “fix” a big lawsuit for Dynamic. This certainly doesn't sound like someone "on top of the world", does it?
2) Almost immediately after Brown's death, the Pearson probe was shut down. However, Judicial Watch continued its efforts questioning Nolanda Hill, a democrat fund raiser and one of Brown's key business partners, in court under oath. Nolanda Hill paid Brown $500,000 for his interest in First International, Inc., a company that never made any profits. First Int’l, which owned Corridor Broadcasting, defaulted on government loans totalling $40 million. The loans were passed to the FDIC, which was unsuccessful in collecting anything from Hill, even though at that time the firm was making large contributions to the Democratic Party and paying hundreds of thousands to Brown through shell corporations. These payments to Brown (three checks for $45,000 each) were the core of evidence gathered by Rep. Clinger that forced Reno to hire Daniel Pearson in the first place. They were cashier checks, all cut on the same day in 1993 with sequential numbers even though the money supposedly came from three contributors acting independently. Brown never disclosed or paid any taxes on these amounts. Just one week before Nolanda's testimony, the Whitehouse had her charged with a crime. Judge Lamberth has revealed that Hill testified that Brown told her he was ordered by Leon Panetta and John Podesta, two of Clinton's Whitehouse Chiefs Of Staff, to "slow down" the effort to comply with Judicial Watch's request (subpoena) for documents. Lamberth has said there is ample evidence that department officials did so.
3) Nolanda Hill also testified that shortly before the crash Brown met with Panetta and turned over a stack of documents that would have proven he sold seats on trade missions for VERY LARGE, illegal, contributions to the DNC. These documents were withheld in violation of the Judicial Watch subpoena. Nolanda swore under oath that Brown told Panetta "if I go down, so will everyone else".
4) Nolanda Hill also testified that shortly before he died, Brown went to see Clinton and told him that he intended to enter a plea agreement and testify against the Administration. She then testified that prior to making this threat, Brown wasn't scheduled to be on the trade mission flight that crashed. She says at the last minute the White House told Brown to go. It is worth noting that much of Hill's testimony has been proven true or cooberated by other witnesses. There has been NOTHING presented by the Whitehouse to suggest she is making up the allegations. They've tried to smear her but they haven't shown that what she claims is untrue ... for example by proving that Brown had no meeting with Clinton before the flight.
*******The Crash Site Investigation*******
5) EVERYONE connected with the administration immediately identified "the worst storm in decades" or even "century" as the cause of the crash. Ask someone on the street what happened and they are likely to tell you it was bad weather. Yet, the official Air Force report says weather was "not a substantially contributing factor," with visibility of 8 kilometers and winds at 14 mph. In fact, several planes landed before and after the crash.
6) The Dubrovnik tower (at the airport to which the plane was headed) lost voice contact with the aircraft at the same time the aircraft transponder vanished from the screens of both the approach radar and an AWAC. Brown's plane was still 8 miles from the airport at the time contact was lost. Geography was not a factor, which leads one to speculate that something serious happened BEFORE the crash. This loss of transponder signal has NEVER been explained by the government.
7) Although the Air Force now says they were mistaken, they initially reported recovering part of the wreckage in the Adriatic. Nolanda Hill has testified that after Brown crashed, she was told by Togo West, Secretary of the Army, that "the military was looking for the bodies in the water."
8) The official Air Force conclusion is that the plane just ran into a mountain due to pilot error. However, the pilot was an "evaluator", the most senior pilot flying that type of plane. He had nearly 3,000 flight hours on the plane. His co-pilot had more. Curiously, the Air Force has settled several wrongful death suits (for MILLIONS of dollars) stemming from the crash by saying that the pilots should have known that the poor weather made it unsafe to land. Yet, noted above, their own report states weather was not a significant factor in the crash.
9) The plane was 1.6 miles off course when it crashed. The official explanation is that the pilots set the compasses (there were 2) 10 degrees off course. However, pilots usually set their compasses right before takeoff. If the compass was off by 10 degrees, they could not have been on course (which they were) when they passed the first beacon, 12 miles from the airport. Besides, all indications are that the plane was flying on the VOR signal, not the compass. Perhaps it isn't just coincidence that the backup portable navigation beacon at the airport disappeared only days before the crash (according to the US Air Force). Aviation Week has reported that the flight trajectory of the plane as it approached the airfield is consistent with being spoofed by a portable beacon just like the one that was missing.
10) Further supporting this scenario is the fact that Niko Junic, the maintenance chief who was in charge of the airport beacons, died from a gunshot 3 days after the crash (before he could be interviewed). Within a day, it was ruled a "suicide" ... even though he was shot in the chest.
11) It was a relatively low speed crash ... low enough that the rear section of the plane was intact (pictures are available on the internet). A stewardess (Sergeant Shelly Kelly) seated in that rear section survived the crash and many hours on the ground. Lt. Colonel Cogswell, a highly experienced pathologist for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), participated in the crash site investigation. He is quoted as saying "depending on who you talked to, Kelly was found near her seat, on the floor of the plane or outside the plane." There are also reports that she was able to get aboard the helicopter without assistance from the medics. However, all agree that she died on the helicopter ride to the hospital ... under a doctor's care. The AFIP claims she had a "broken neck" but there are reports that her autopsy revealed a neat three-inch incision over her main femoral artery. Note that AFIP had her body cremated BEFORE her family was even notified of her death! This is a clear violation of established procedures.
12) After the crash, businesses that had employees on the plane were told there were no survivors. Later, they were told there was one (Sergeant Kelly). However, a Commerce Department document uncovered by Judicial Watch indicates that TWO people survived the impact. The document, a chronology of events, was prepared for then Secretary of State Warren Christopher. The log includes the following item 40 minutes after the wreckage was discovered: "Commerce Dept. has heard from Advance Ira Sokowitz in Sarajevo that two individuals have been recovered alive from the crash." The government has never mentioned in ANY forum the second survivor. The log also indicates that shortly after notification of two survivors, Deputy Secretary of State Strobe Talbott asked that a TV crew "not film at the crash site." The request was granted without any explanation from the State Department as to why it was made. Recently, it was learned that Ira Sockowitz was supposed to be on the Brown flight but missed it for some "unspecified" reason. Curious how he was still able to get to the crash site in time to be the point man for sending information back regarding the two survivors. And by the way, Ira Sockowitz was an associate of John Huang (a known spy) and is himself implicated in illegally obtaining Secret materials while at Commerce.
13) The rear door of the aircraft was found open when rescuers first arrived at the crash site, opening at least the possibility that someone could have jumped out of the plane before it crashed. Also, the hand gun of Brown's bodyguard was never located at the crash site.
14) Although the crash occurred within two miles of the airport, it "officially" took at least 7 hours for the U.S. Air Force to arrive. This was reportedly hours after the Croatians had reached the crash site. Curiously, an Associated Press report stated that the first Croatian rescuers were met by three Americans who were already on the ground. Since item #37 suggests Brown could have have survived the crash, might the other survivor have been Brown? Might he have been shot after the crash, by a cleanup crew, rather than during the flight?
15) The Croatian Ministry Of Transportation announced shortly after the crash that the black boxes had been found. The US Air Force in Germany confirmed this. Several foreign news stations reported it. The Department of Commerce log mentioned in item # 13 states, "Chief of protocol Misetic called...The flight data recorder has been recovered." Then, a week later, the Air Force said the plane had no black boxes and suggested that some boxes that looked EXACTLY like the recorders had been found instead. The problem with this scenario is that flight recorders are designed to be unique in appearance and the people in Croatia who reported finding them were certainly qualified to know what one looks like.
16) Another problem with the claim that there were no black boxes is that this exact plane, just a week earlier, carried the First Lady and Chelsea and, several weeks before that, had carried the Secretary of Defense. Supposedly, regulations require that the First Lady and cabinet members only fly on aircraft with black boxes. Curiously, noone was ever punished for this apparent "violation" of regulations. And just why did Hillary to the same tiny airport where Brown's plane crashed a week or so later? Quite a coincidence.
17) USAF policies also require that ALL plane crashes initially be considered as resulting from undetermined causes. Yet Air Force spokespersons were telling the press that weather and pilot error were the cause even before ANY on-site investigation had commenced.
18) In fact, as crash safety investigation team members were preparing to leave for this crash, they were told not to bother ... that it was already being RULED "pilot error". The Air Force canceled the Safety Board, the phase of crash investigations specifically charged with finding the cause. This is only the SECOND Air Force crash in US history to have no Safety Board (the other involved friendly fire in IRAQ where the cause was immediately obvious). This one was anything but obvious.
*****The Dover Investigation*****
19) The remains of all the crash victims were shipped to the AFIP at Dover AFB for examination. Colonel William Gormley, an Assistant Armed Forces Medical Examiner, was in overall charge of the AFIP effort. He also was the one who examined Ron Brown's body. Several others were present during his examination, including Chief Petty Officer Kathleen Janoski, an experienced military photographer; Lt. Colonel Hause, another AFIP Medical examiner; Jeanmarie Sentelle, a naval criminal investigator; and Erich Junger, AFIP's chief forensic scientist.
20) During the examination, Chief Petty Officer Janoski exclaimed in a loud voice that there appeared to be a bullet wound on the top of Brown's head. The wound, which is documented in the pictures she took, was "perfectly circular" and "inwardly beveling", which she says led her to that conclusion. According to Janoski, Colonel Gormley told her to "be quiet" and "not to remark about the wound." A nurse says she heard Gormley say that. Lt. Colonel Hause, who was examining another body 2 feet away, heard Janoski's remark and came over to look. Hause, who is considered to be one of the military's leading experts on gunshot wounds, remembers saying "sure enough, it looks like a gunshot wound to me, too." He said the wound "looked like a punched-out .45-caliber entrance hole".
21) Despite this, Gromley ordered no autopsy. He ruled it death due to blunt force trama. He later indicated in various forums that he ruled out a bullet wound because no brain matter was visible and the x-rays showed nothing unusual.
22) Erich Junger, who never visited the crash site, is quoted as saying that a "very reasonable explanation" for the hole was found "when we looked around the aircraft area itself." Lt. Colonel Cogswell, mentioned earlier, disputes this. He has testified that Gormley called him at the crash site and asked that he search for something that could cause Brown's head wound. According to Cogswell, NOTHING was found. Gormley has apparently acknowledged that no piece of the aircraft was found to explain the hole. Also, Cogswell says that when Gormley called, he told Gormley that it sounded more like a gunshot wound and that "this man needs an autopsy."
******The AFIP Coverup******
23) Janoski was a democratic volunteer at the time of the crash with no political axe to grind. Well before she went public with her story, she was contacted by Christopher Ruddy and she declined to comment. She referred all questions to AFIP's press office. Since then, however, she has gone public and submitted a sworn affidavit. According to her testimony, almost six months after Brown's death, she was told by Jeanmarie Sentell that x-rays and photographs were deliberately destroyed in the Brown case after a "lead snowstorm" (indicative of gunshot) was discovered in the x-rays. Janoski further testified that Sentell said that a second set of X-rays were made "less dense" to diminish or eradicate the "lead snowstorm" image, and that Colonel Gormley was involved in its creation. Sentell, informed of Janoski's accusations, declined comment.
24) After talking to Sentell, Janoski says she realized that she had taken slides photos of the first set of x-rays while they were displayed on a light table in the examination room. She located the slides and showed them to Cogswell. After looking at the pictures and x-rays slides, Cogswell decided that an autopsy should have been performed and began to say so publicly. He even included this case in a talk he gave on "mistakes in forensic pathology" at professional conferences and training courses. He reportedly told his audiences that the frontal head X-ray shows, in the area behind the left eye socket, "multiple small fragments of white flecks, which are metallic density", i.e., a "lead snowstorm" from a high-velocity gunshot wound. He also told them that brain matter is visible in the photos and the side X-ray indicates a "bone plug" from the hole displaced under the skull and into the brain ... both are contrary to what Gormley was then claiming.
25) On December 5, 1997, AFIP imposed a gag order on Cogswell, forcing him to refer all press inquiries on the Brown case to AFIP's public affairs office. Cogswell was told he could leave his office only with the permission of Dr. Jerry Spencer, Armed Forces Medical Examiner. He was escorted to his house by military police, who, without a warrant, seized all of his case materials on the Brown crash.
26) On December 9, 1997, Lt. Col. David Hause decided to come forward and publically agreed with Cogswell that an autopsy should have been performed. Hause's eyewitness examination also contradicts Gormley. "What was immediately below the surface of the hole was just brain. I didn't remember seeing skull" in the hole, he said. After he talked to the press, the gag order was extended to include all AFIP personnel, but by then the photos and the x-ray slides were already in the public domain. In case you are wondering, Alan Keyes, a spokesman for the AFIP, has acknowledged that the internet photos are legitimate.
27) On December 11, 1997, despite the gag order, Gormley agreed to a live interview on Black Entertainment Television. Members of the black community, who had heard rumors about the possibility of a gun shot wound in Brown's head, had begun to ask for an investigation. This appears to be a clear attempt at "damage control". Gormley immediately attacked the other pathologists. He stated that one could rule out a bullet wound because no brain matter was visible in the wound. He also stated that the x-rays taken during the examination showed no trace of a bullet injury. He denied that two sets of x-rays existed. Then, on live TV, he was confronted with a photograph taken during the examination (by Janoski) that showed brain matter visible in the wound. He ended up admitting that brain matter was indeed visible, excusing his former statements as a memory lapse. He then admitted that the hole was a "red flag" which should have triggered a further inquiry. Next he was confronted with a copy of Janowski's x-ray slides. He immediately changed his story and claimed that this first set of x-rays had been "lost" so that a second set was required. It was then pointed out that the Janoski x-rays slides show signs of a "lead snowstorm", which he didn't refute.
28) Judicial Watch says that Colonel Gormley now admits that he consulted with other high-ranking pathologists present DURING the external examination of Ron Brown's body and they AGREED that the hole looked like a gunshot wound, "at least an entrance gunshot wound" ... and called for an autopsy. Furthermore, he confesses that no autopsy was performed based on "discussions" at the highest levels in Commerce, the Joint Chiefs of Staff and THE WHITEHOUSE! Cabinet members such as Ron Brown are covered by federal laws that deal with assassinations of federal officials and certain acts of terrorism. As such, the matter should have been referred to the FBI as soon as an apparent gunshot wound was discovered. Why wasn't it?
29) On January 9, 1998, the Washington Post reported that the AFIP had convened a review panel of ALL its pathologists, including Cogswell and Hause. The article quoted AFIP's director, Col. Michael Dickerson, in saying that the panel came to the UNANIMOUS conclusion that Brown died of blunt-force trauma and not a gunshot. According to Cogswell, however, he refused, following the advice of his lawyer, to participate in the review because he thought it would be unfair and biased. He says that most of those participating were not board-certified in forensic pathology and of those who were, none had significant interest or experience in gunshot wounds. He says that ALL of the Armed Forces Medical Examiner's forensic pathologists with any expertise in gunshot wounds (Cogswell, Hause and a new name ... Air Force Maj. Thomas Parsons) dissented from the "official" opinion. Even though Hause and Parsons have cooberated Cogswell's version, AFIP spokesman Chris Kelly says AFIP "stands by" Dickerson's claim that the findings were unanimous ... a clear lie.
30) On January 13, in violation of the gag order, Kathleen Janoski went public. She did this, according to her, for self protection and out of concern for the careers of Cogswell, Hause, and Parsons. Since then she has been interviewed repeatedly and has provided a sworn affidavit regarding what happened.
31) The AFIP now claims that the x-ray film used in the first set of x-rays (i.e., those captured in Janowski's slides) was defective. They say this explains why a second set of x-rays was taken (now the story is that the first set wasn't lost ... just discarded) and why the first x-rays might "appear" to show a lead snowstorm. Janoski responds that the photos she took of other Brown X-rays on the light box do not show any film "defect". And get this ... the government claims the second set of head x-rays is "lost". Hause, along with Dr. Jerry Spencer, have confirmed that no X-rays of Brown's head are in the files. On top of that, Hause said he was ordered to collect all photographs taken of Brown at Dover. These photos, stored in a safe, should have included photographs of the head X-rays but they don't. Gormley and the AFIP have not investigated or offered any explanation for how the X-rays or photos disappeared. According to Ruddy, Gormley now refers calls to Chris Kelly, who simply says that Gormley will not grant additional interviews.
32) In a press statement, the AFIP reportedly said that extensive "forensic tests" disproved a bullet theory. Janoski said she was present for the entire examination and did not observe ANY forensic tests, such as those for gunpowder residue.
33) Janet Reno told the nation that the Justice Department conducted a "thorough review" of the facts in the Ron Brown death investigation and concluded that there was no evidence of a crime. However, no one from the Justice Department or FBI interviewed the military pathologists. The review was conducted by the same AFIP personnel responsible for the decision not to autopsy.
34) As of today, Cogswell, Hause, Parsons and Janowski have all been reassigned to other duties outside their areas of expertise and the Government has tried to limit their contact with fellow pathologists by barring them from conferences. They had their homes searched without a search warrant and have been given negative job evaluations (for the first time in careers spanning over 10 years). For example, Cogswell's evaluation, which was six months late, states that he is "disruptive to the work environment with immature behavior." He has been "unresponsive to counseling," it continues, adding that he has used "inappropriate language" and worn "inappropriate dress." Cogswell is even criticized for his manner of driving in the AFIP facility’s parking lot. The belated report bears three signatures, including those of Armed Forces Chief Medical Examiner Jerry Spencer and AFIP Director Col. Michael Dickerson, both PROVEN liars. The signatures are not even dated.
35) The Accident Investigation Report (produced during the second phase of the NORMAL Air Force crash investigation ... the first phase is the Safety Board, which was suspiciously skipped in the Brown crash) PRESUMES that the cause was "accidental". It does not contain anything regarding the opinions of the pathologists about a bullet wound or the evidence (x-rays, photos) cooberating those opinions. Strange, given that the document is to aid lawyers in any legal matters following a crash. In fact, the Brown family was NEVER even told about the possibility of a bullet wound.
******Other Investigations******
36) Brown's daughter said that the family hired their own forensic pathologist after the bullet wound controversy surfaced and that one of the key reasons they were satisfied that Brown was not shot is that the pathologist told them there was no exit wound. Janoski has testified, however, that Brown's body was never examined or photographed for an exit wound and Gormley admits he didn't look for one.
37) Christopher Ruddy showed copies of the x-ray slides and wound photos to Dr. Martin Fackler, former director of the Army's Wound Ballistics Laboratory. Fackler said "It's round as hell. ... That's unusual except for a gunshot wound." He also said brain matter was visible. "They didn't do an autopsy. My God." he said.
38) Christopher Ruddy showed copies of the x-rays and photos to Pittsburgh coroner Dr. Cyril Wecht, one of the nation's foremost forensic pathologists. Wecht, a democrat, said "I'll wager you anything that you can't find a forensic pathologist in America who will say Brown should not have been autopsied." Wecht said the identification of almost half a dozen "tiny pieces of dull silver- colored" material embedded in the scalp on the edge of the wound "suggest metallic fragments". He said "little pieces of metal can be found at, or near, an entry site when a bullet enters bone." If the metal is from a bullet, he said the array of fragments would indicate a shot fired BEFORE the crash. Wecht said Brown's body was relatively intact. Lacerations were superficial, and other damage to his face and body appeared to be caused by chemical burns that probably would not have resulted in death. X-rays indicated Brown's bones were generally intact, with a breakage of the pelvic ring that Wecht said was survivable.
******Cleaning Up Loose Ends?*******
39) Bill Clinton, Brown's "good" friend, was filmed leaving the funeral of Ron Brown LAUGHING ... an emotion that instantly turned into tears when he saw the camera. This video clip can be viewed at several WEB sites.
40) Judge Lamberth said there was clear evidence that immediately after Brown was killed "there was a flurry of document shredding in the secretary's office."
41) Shortly after the death, the indictment against Brown's wife was dropped ... and his son eventually received what amounts to a slap on the wrist for his crimes. One might reasonably wonder if this had something to do with their stopping their calls for an investigation.
42) In November 1996, Barbara Wise, a secretary who worked at Commerce in an area that would have made her aware of the dealings of Brown and John Huang (a close associate of Brown), was found partially nude, heavily bruised and dead in a locked room in the Commerce Building in Washington DC. Bill Clinton made a sudden, unscheduled flight back to the Washington from Camp David the morning the body was discovered, stayed a couple hours, then returned to Camp David. Dick Gregory, the black civil rights activist, has stated that Barbara Wise was Ron Brown's personal secretary.
43) News reports supposedly indicate that the day of the crash an attempt was made on the life of Ron Brown's law partner, Tommy Boggs, by unknown assailants in a staged car accident in Capetown. Later, Boggs refused to discuss it.
44) At the time the BET interview was aired in which a government witness was caught red handed lying about the evidence, Jessie Jackson and many other black leaders were DEMANDING an investigation of the Brown death. Why did he and the others suddenly stop talking about the case ... never mentioning it ... AT ALL? Could it have something to do with the large amount of money the Clinton administration gave to black programs shortly thereafter?
*******Motive For Murder*******
Do you want me to go into motive ... or will you STIPULATE that the Clinton administration might have had good reason to want to silence Ron Brown ... permanently? Ron Brown was at the focus of much of the campaign finance illegalities that occurred and the conduit for much of the "formerly" restricted technology passed onto the Chinese in exchange for brown bags FULL of illegal campaign cash. He worked with Huang, Riady, Chung, Middleton (highest Clinton Administration official to plead the 5th in Chinagate), and dozens of other people connected with criminal activities by the Clinton's and DNC. If he talked, he'd have caused a really serious problem for a lot of these people.
Do you have a source for this credible evidence?
Here are some of the sources used in creating the above list.
"Questions Linger About Ron Brown Plane Crash" By Christopher Ruddy and Hugh Sprunt FOR PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW, November 24, 1997
"Experts Differ on Ron Brown's Head Wound" By Christopher Ruddy, FOR THE PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW, December 3, 1997
"Military Imposes Gag Order in Ron Brown Controversy" By Christopher Ruddy, FOR THE PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW, December 6, 1997
"Second Expert: Brown's Wound Appeared to be From Gunshot" By Christopher Ruddy, FOR THE PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW, December 9, 1997
"Brown Death Case: Gag Order Broadened" By Christopher Ruddy, FOR THE PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW, December 11, 1997
"Top Pathologist: Autopsy Needed in Possible Homicide of Ron Brown" By Christopher Ruddy, FOR THE PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW, December 17, 1997
"Pathologists Dispute Military Claims in Brown Probe" By Christopher Ruddy, FOR THE PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW, January 11, 1998
"4th Expert Claims Probe of Brown's Death Botched" By Christopher Ruddy, FOR THE PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW, January 13, 1998
"Ron Brown's Death Still A Mystery" by Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy In Media, February 24, 1999.
"A Shocking Analysis Of A Deadly Crash" by Reed Irvine, Accuracy In Media, March 5, 1999.
"The Confidential Commerce Department Chronology Of Ron Brown's Death", www.NewsMax.com,October 8, 1999.
You can see the photos of the headwound, crash site and xrays at www.Newsmax.com. The Air Force has acknowledged that they are authentic.
A number of Judicial Watch briefs filed by Klayman on behalf of the AFIP personnel that were punished for revealing what happened at the Brown examination.
"The Botched Ron Brown Investigation: An Interview with AFIP Forensic Photographer Kathleen Janoski", by Wesley Phelan, Laissez Faire City Times, Vol 2, No 35, October 26, 1998.
"KATHLEEN JANOSKI DESCRIBES COVER-UP IN RON BROWN INVESTIGATION" by Carl Limbacher, Washington Post, April 26, 1998. (transcript of Janoski interview on The Bob Grant Show, a New York talk radio program by the WOR Radio Network)
"The Secret Files Of Ron Brown" by Charles Smith, WorldNetDaily, September 27, 2000.
"The Ron Brown Stonewall: Prominent African Americans Grow Impatient" by Carl Limbacher, The Washington Weekly, January 5, 1998.
Numerous articles and threads on www.freerepublic.com.
Lets be clear from the start before anyone is mislead by your disinformation. My Quote related to your claim that there was evidence that Ron Brown was about to drop a dime on the Clinton administration and the DNC. You've still not posted a SHREAD of evidence that this was so. I dont dispute the theory that Brown was killed. . but you've failed to show a SINGLE bit of evidence that he said he was going to talk.
Are you incapable of actually going and reading any the source materials I cited (after you requested it) ... or are you just too lazy? Several of those sources listed QUOTE the results of the testimony before Lamberth by Nolanda Hill stating that, among other things, she testified UNDER OATH that Brown met Clinton shortly before he died and told him he had decided to turn state's evidence. For example ... go to the Newsmax site. They have a press release by Judicial Watch back in 1998 which states: "Thursday February 12, 1998, Judicial Watch will file a petition with the three judge panel to continue the independent counsel investigation of Ron Brown, which had been underway at the time of his death on April 3, 1996, in Croatia. ... snip ... According to his business partner and confidant, Nolanda Hill, Brown had told President Clinton days before he was asked unexpectedly to travel to Croatia that he would negotiate a plea agreement with the independent counsel, which would entail telling what he knew about alleged illegalities in the Clinton- Gore Administration. Clinton, according to Brown, responded badly."
Now if you wish to call the sources liars then go ahead ... but be prepared to PROVE it in this case. Furthermore, we have the FACT that Brown WAS under investigation by numerous agencies, he DID hire a 750 dollar an hour lawyer (so it was serious), his wife and son WERE already indicted, he clearly WAS about to be indicted himself, he WAS a central figure in Chinagate and campaign finance violations and the investigations WERE STILL expanding just days before he died. And with all that ... YOU tried to claim he was "on top of the world". Just who is spreading disinformation here? I've posted SOME of my sources, why don't you post EVEN ONE to substantiate your ridiculous claim. And, for the record, why did you make the claim?
As far as the Clinton conspiracies go, Johnny may have had a small part in it as a cog. All he saw was "access for money" so he paid money. As in his video, the White House was up for sale, drop the coin into the slot and gain access - just like a token on a subway turnstile. The Clintons allowed him to have plenty of access to the (57 trips).
In so far as Ron Brown is concerned, I believe he was murdered, along with all the people on that plane in Yugoslavia. Don't you find it interesting that the one person on radar "committed suicide" over how badly he felt when the plane crashed? (How many other radar operators have committed suicide over plane crashes?) Don't you find it interesting that none of the family members of the passengers on that plane were ever interviewed afterwards? How come the two photographers who were taking forensic photos of the corpses were fired after revealing some of the discrepancies between the "official" gov't. word and what they saw? From a former place where worked, I knew one of the men on the plane and his secretary. I called his secretary and she told me that she thought the plane had been deliberately crashed and hoped that someone someday would catch the perps. I called the man's widow and she told me that no one from the gov't. came to interview her, only to tell her that the gov't. had investigated the crash and that was all there was to that. (Nothing to see here folks, just move on...)
Also, chameleon Xlinton was laughing and joking with someone at Ron Brown's funeral UNTIL he saw the TV camera trained on him and then he went into instant mourning. On Judgment Day, SlickWillie is going to have a lot of 'splainin' to do.
But, hey, this thread is about Johnny Chung who had his day in court! miss print
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