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Recounting That Recount, Detail by Detail by Detail (Jeffrey Toobin Says Wrong Man Inaugurated)
New York Times Book Review ^ | October 18, 2001 | JANET MASLIN

Posted on 10/19/2001 6:26:14 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

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To: PJ-Comix
The Left's insistence on rewriting history never ceases -- or even pauses for breath.
21 posted on 10/19/2001 6:41:48 AM PDT by Whilom
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To: freedomlover
After reading the crap posted by the NYT, Boston Globe, People, ad infinitum, all I see is more crybabies. I did like the reviewer from Marlboro NJ who rated the book as "Hugely Disappointing" though.

As Robert Duval says in Apocalypse Now, "Don't these people ever give up?"

22 posted on 10/19/2001 6:42:27 AM PDT by Duke809
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To: PJ-Comix
Toobin is a ________.

(Received warning from the Sidebar Moderator. I've been chastened. Besides, it allows you to imagine your own personal most vulgar word.)

23 posted on 10/19/2001 6:42:57 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: PJ-Comix
Jeffrey Toobin Laden -- give it up!
24 posted on 10/19/2001 6:43:03 AM PDT by WalterSkinner
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To: freedomlover
Duke809,

Did you get a look at Amazon's list of "other books bought by people who bought this book?" Quite revealing.

I would have bet that most of these sales went to West Palm Beach, but then I recalled the inability of people there to read or follow simple instructions.

25 posted on 10/19/2001 6:44:29 AM PDT by SpinyNorman
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To: PJ-Comix
"The wrong man was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2001, and this is no small thing in our nation's history,"

The right man was inaugurated and thank God that he was. Imagine how bad this mess would be if Gore had successfully stolen the election and was in charge at this terrible time

26 posted on 10/19/2001 6:44:29 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: wideawake
(4) Everybody knows that Gore tried to disqualify our servicemen's votes.

It is actually worse than that, and a very good reason why he may not DARE run again, IMHO.
Gore SUCCEEDED in disqualifying military votes.
27 posted on 10/19/2001 6:44:30 AM PDT by MamaLucci
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To: PJ-Comix
Wasn't Toobin also accused by several of his interview subjects of fabricating quotes and anecdotes for his book on Clinton's impeachment?
28 posted on 10/19/2001 6:44:59 AM PDT by AHerald
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To: PJ-Comix

29 posted on 10/19/2001 6:46:02 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: freedomlover
That Amazon review does say a lot.
30 posted on 10/19/2001 6:50:06 AM PDT by phillibuck
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To: PJ-Comix
Did they take into account the effect of Florida humidity on the tensile strength of the ballots? The sharpness/dullness ratio of different styli in different booths? The fact that multiple handling through recounts may have caused additional perforation failure where no vote was intended? C'mon get over it already.
31 posted on 10/19/2001 6:51:56 AM PDT by lds23
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To: PJ-Comix
Anyone, ANYONE, on either side, who attempts to claim that ANY "analysis" of the Florida ballots will produce conclusive proof of "who won" is AUTOMATICALLY biased.

Why? Because there were several other states that Gore "won" even though the results there were just as close as in Florida. The only difference is that Bush decided not to contest the results there because he knew that doing so would have just made a bad situation worse. Thus anyone that truly wants to "know who won" would have to undertake full recounts in those other states as well. Nobody seems willing to do that. Thus, they're all biased. Thus, their "results" cannot be trusted.

32 posted on 10/19/2001 6:53:18 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: PJ-Comix
Good old Jeffrey is more than a lurker, he's a member .
33 posted on 10/19/2001 6:54:12 AM PDT by denydenydeny
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To: Duke809
After reading the crap posted by the NYT, Boston Globe, People, ad infinitum, all I see is more crybabies.

Note the fine print. Those quotes are from reviews of Toobad's PREVIOUS book, not this one. They're trying to falsely get people to believe everyone loves THIS book, when the truth is that nobody's even bothering to look at it.

34 posted on 10/19/2001 6:57:18 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: Duke809
Here is the Amazon review by the Marlboro, NJ reviewer:

Having read Toobin's book on OJ, I picked up Too Close To Call with high hopes that I would see a journalistically responsible recounting of what happened in Florida.

Never have I been so disappointed.

The title Too Close to Call belies what are clearly Toobin's true feelings - Gore won, and there is nary an issue underlying the dynamics of what happened in Florida that was a tough call.

A clear clue to Toobin's lack of objectivity is his recurring failure to address both sides of important issues before laying out his conclusions. Instead, he regularly addresses complex situations as though they are plain and simple - and almost always understood in ways that support the Gore cause. A close cousin of this habit is Toobin's repeated criticism of the Bush campaign (and those viewed as sympathetic to him) while allowing Gore, et al to skate when they act in exactly the same way. In some cases, Toobin simply ignores facts or issues that are inconsistent with a Gore victory. But perhaps the clearest clue to Toobin's bias is his allocation of adjectives and pejoratives. Consistently, Gore and his supporters are characterized positively, with the brickbats almost always reserved for Bush people.

The problem, in a nutshell, is that Toobin is much smarter than this effort shows - if he wanted his book to be viewed as objective, he could still come to the same conclusions without the obvious signs of bias evident from failing to have a balanced discussion and the heavy handed use of pejoratives.

Perhaps my greatest disappointment is in Toobin's legal analysis. As an accomplished and experienced lawyer, I expected much more in his analysis of the legal issues and the conduct of the justices on both the US Supreme Court and the Florida Supreme Court.

Every lawyer - and even first year law students - are familiar with the broad discretion that Courts generally accord to the acts of public officials within the scope of their statutory responsibilities. As a matter of comity, Courts generally respect the determination of public officials if it is rationally based and within the scope of their authority. This stems from the respect normally accorded to public officials to whom the law delegates executive responsibility and who, as a result, have experience in administering the law.

One can argue that Katherine Harris abused her discretion and hence the Court was right to take the highly unusual step in overruling administrative decisions that would normally be accorded great judicial respect. The problem with this book is that Toobin never makes the argument. He never addresses this very basic principle of law - he simply dismisses Harris' judgments as worthy of rejection even against the longstanding respect accorded administrative decisions.

More to the point, Toobin never addresses what would motivate the Florida Supreme Court to sweep away traditions of comity and respect so dismissively, a signal event of the Florida situation that telegraphed that Court's attitude and pre-dispositions.

Yet Toobin is very glib in harshly analyzing the conservative majority on the US Supreme Court's conduct in going against their own traditions regarding states rights and equal protection. Having said that, he is silent about the SCOTUS minority's rejection of their own liberal states right and equal protection standards.

Toobin slams the conservative majority on the SCOTUS as having made up their minds before hearing argument, yet he has no problems with the fact that the Florida Supreme Court had not only made up their mind, but also actually circulated a draft opinion before even hearing arguments (he says it's done all the time). He has no problem with the fact that Federal Court Judge Middlebrooks, a Clinton appointee, rejected the first Bush federal suit, reading a judgment he wrote before hearing argument from the bench.

In defending both Florida decisions, Toobin ignores the fact that in their rush to get to the Florida Supreme Court, Gore's lawyers didn't waste time with the presentation of evidence, either as to how Harris abused her discretion or as to the failure to count lawful ballots in the contest case before Judge Sanders Saul.

And just as Toobin ignores the Florida Court's extremely rare refusal to respect executive discretion in administrative matters, he gives even shorter shrift to the unusually rare act of the Court's decision to dismiss Judge Saul's finding of facts. It is a touchstone of the legal system that while conclusions of law are appealable, finding of facts are appealable only when they are grossly inconsistent with the evidence. Yet Toobin never picks up on this distinction and the failure of the Court to address Saul's clear findings of facts that Gore failed to produce evidence that any of the ballots in evidence had been lawful and excluded - the distinction in proving actual ballot errors and dropping a bag of ballots on the table and saying there must be some errors in there. Instead, he simply smears Sauls as a "kneejerk conservative" and dismisses him as a crackpot.

Finally, Toobin fails to address the Florida court's odd behavior regarding their delayed response to the SCOTUS unanimous reversal of their first decision. He fails to address the odd timing of the release of the revised opinion - after the SCOTUS criticized their failure to do so and while the second case was under consideration by the SCOTUS. Did the Florida Court seek to throw a monkey wrench into those deliberations? A legitimate question that Toobin never even asks.

Instead, he defends the Court by saying that they were too busy with the fast pace of events to draft their reply, a defense that falls in the face of their prior ability to write a quick first decision even before hearing any evidence and laying further delay at the feet of a dissenting Judge Wells, who hadn't yet written his dissent.

Nor does Toobin ask the question as to how the first Florida opinion was solidly based upon the Florida constitution, yet the second opinion makes no reference to the constitution at all. The SCOTUS made it clear in its reversal that basing the case on Florida constitutional provisions rather than Florida statute would be fatal. Thus, the second opinion cured that infirmity, yet without any explanation as to why the court spent so much time, energy and effort in discussing seemingly inapplicable provisions of the Florida constitution. And Toobin doesn't ask for any explanation either....

It is impossible to reconcile Toobin's harsh review of the conservative SCOTUS majority's conduct with a complete silence of analysis of the conduct of the Florida Court and the SCOTUS minority.

This silence is an important building block to Toobin's conclusions, because jumping right over the lawful authority of the Secretary of State to exercise discretion in applying election law is fundamental to getting to friendly Florida Supreme Court in the first place and engaging in the torturous arguments over chads, vote counting standards, etc. All this talk about "the intent of the voter" would be pointless, because intent of the voter is to be applied if and only if there is a legitimate hand count to be performed.

This takes us to the analysis of the Florida law, which attorney Toobin completely sidesteps. Toobin discusses the Florida statute solely in political terms. He acknowledges that the statute permits hand recounts ONLY in cases where there is an error in vote tabulation. He cavalierly interprets the law in the broadest possible sense to allow the broadest possible interpretation to include voter error as opposed to tabulation error, and ignores the fact that Florida counties, including Palm Beach County had previously limited the interpretation to exclude voter error.

Yet whichever way you come out, this is no small question because the whole 36-day fiasco turned on this interpretation. If Harris was correct in applying the law the same way Palm Beach did in the past, there were no recounts to be made, no chad standards to fight over, no equal protection arguments to be waged. How Toobin completely ignores this fundamental point is stunning.

Still, ignoring the inconvenient is a recurring theme in this book. Hand counts are touted as much more accurate, yet Toobin never addresses the issue of the human bias factor that gets added to the mix when partisan vote counters start making subjective decisions. He never addresses the mysterious recovery of 643 votes in Palm Beach County in the first machine recount - 44% of Gore's state wide harvest during the mandatory machine count.

Thus, Toobin accepts every vote counter as being able to do a clinically sterile review of each ballot without having personal bias affect subjective decisions about dimples, dents and dings. It may be that people can rise to the occasion. But Toobin never addresses the obvious risk of bias since every board involved in the selective recounts requested by Gore sat in Democrat strongholds and were dominated by Democrats, some of whom (like Carol Roberts) were longstanding party activists. He never addresses the grave concerns

35 posted on 10/19/2001 7:00:42 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
I hate these guys. I really do. Lying, even a massive and organized campaign of spinning, is still lying. It was snowing chads, thousands of illegal felon votes counted, military thrown out, Christian universities not receiveing absentee ballots, VNS/media calling it for Gore before the conservative panhandle and the rest of the Western US polls had closed, never mind Gore's greater than statistical numbers in punch card counties. We have a better case for GW winning the popular vote than these evildoers have for Gore winning no matter how creatively they lie. They lie.
36 posted on 10/19/2001 7:01:06 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: SpinyNorman
Bump and also pointing you to this link in light of your screen name.
37 posted on 10/19/2001 7:02:52 AM PDT by freedomlover
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To: Book writer
Hi Jeffey! I hope you have fun reading the FR comments about your totally irrelevant book.
38 posted on 10/19/2001 7:03:08 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
Oh, and give a shout out to Jeffy here. He lurks on the FR frequently

Sure he's not 'Hidy'?

39 posted on 10/19/2001 7:03:59 AM PDT by gumbo
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To: wideawake
Correction to your statement, "(2) Everybody knows that the networks interfered with the election by calling it early."

(2) Everybody knows that the networks tried to throw the election to Gore by calling it early.

40 posted on 10/19/2001 7:04:01 AM PDT by Hootowl
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