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To: tallhappy
The Chinese used to believe that "heaven was round, and that the world was square".

What is the character for "zhong" of "zhong guo"?

19 posted on 10/19/2001 12:30:45 AM PDT by super175
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>>Their resentment of America stems from several associated things. 1. Our ‘support’ for the KMT during WWII. 2. At that time, their Communist ideologies dictated that US ‘capitalism’ was evil and should be destroyed. They were an extension of the old USSR.

Let me add some more:

3. The Korean War in which China and the US fought each other.

4. The Taiwan issue.

5. The US recognition of ROC as the legitimate government representing China for 30 years by excluding PRC from the world community, including the UN.

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>>He then went on to say that the Revolution of 1949 was merely an extension of the 1911 Revolution, basically ‘in order to finish the job’. To him, the 1911 revolution was “incomplete”.

Mao also said the goals of the 1949 revolution were anti-imperialism, anti-feudalism, and national independence and freedom.

>>The original aims of Dr. Sun, and the Revolution of 1911 are still the very key to solving many of China's problems...90 years later...

Over a week ago Jiang claimed the CCP is the only loyal follower of Sun's vision. Looks like Jiang is going to transform the CCP into a nationalist party.

>>The CCP was extremely brutal in how they came to power and how they have maintained power.

The CCP executed many landlords during the land reform. However, the land reform is one of Sun's major policies which the KMT failed to carry out. This was the major reason why the KMT lost power in the mainland.

>>The CCP and its spies, like Tang, were responsible for the deaths at NanJing.

You may have to give some facts to show the CCP's involvement.

>>There are more than 1,000 languages in China.

Not "languages", but "dialects".

>>Also don't forget, those 'jian-ti' characters were created by the Communists.

The simplified Chinese characters started in the New Culture movement aftre 1911 revolution. Many liberal intellectuals advocated the use of simplified Chinese characters as a way to westernize China. The KMT did accepted the suggestion because the feudalistic conservatives were so strong at the time. Radical liberals even wanted to completely abandon Chinese characters by using PinYin with Latin letters.

>>During the Cultural Revolution they destroyed so much of the various Chinese heritages.

It is interesting that the radical liberals in China also wanted to destroy ALL Chinese heritages through FULL westernization.

>>1. We will, no questions asked remove our military threat from Taiwan.

China said it will remove the military along the coast facing Taiwan if Taiwan recognizes One China. But China will never exclude the use of force in solving the Taiwan problem.

>>2. At the same time, declare publicly a 10 or 20 year plan to create a Republic and institute democratic reforms, to which they hope Taiwan will participate. (both in the reforms, as well as the Republic)

I don't think the CPP will publicly declare a timetable for the political reform because it's too risky. The CPP will reform itself in order to stay in power, not to lose power. So there will be political reform in China, but not too fast to still keep the CCP a ruling party. It's the nature of human beings. No one wants to lose power.

>>Taiwan would not mind (I don't think) being in an "alliance" with the Mainland. It is the idea that they will be 'ruled by the CCP' that has everyone upset.

Not exactly. People have wants, right? Being the king of a small state is much better than being a minister of a big nation. Do you want to be a middle manager of big Co. or the boss of a small business? Many people prefer the latter. It's also the nature of human beings.

>>An alliance, as far as Taiwan is concerned, would mean that they get to send a regular representative to the Mainland for an official position. Everything else stays the same. Taiwan still has elections, a President, self determination, their own identity, everything.

The major issues here are the defence and diplomacy. This is what ONE country really cares about. Say, if China had a war against or were invaeded by other countries , would the mainland an Taiwan fight the common enemies?

>>To the Chinese, any place (or people) that have ever been conquered to be under the rule of Chinese monarchs, or part of their kingdom(s), were part of "zhong guo" or 'part of the emperor's kingdom', whichever "zhong guo" they were talking about.

Right. Many Chinese are now talking about Outer Mongolia and Central Asia. Historically those areas used to be part of China. Because China thinks Ginges Khan was one of the CHINESE emperors the historic Chinese territory streched to the central Europe.

24 posted on 10/19/2001 3:37:38 AM PDT by Lake
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