[Johnny Shear]

OK.....I need a little help here. I am absolutely flabergasted. I CAN'T BELIEVE these people at Democratic Underground can be THIS stupid!!! Of course, I may be wrong and am looking for confirmation of my thoughts...

I thought it was ABUNDENTLY clear that we all know that punching the pacifist is wrong in the "Real World". but, since this is a PARODY, the punching of the pacifist is only used to make a larger point...That we just might HAVE to use force when dealing with terrorists.

And if so, what is the point of this article? Look at their number 6 for instance.... Student gets back up and says, "I'm sorry you feel the need to hit me to get me to agree with your point of view, but I maintain that violence only produces more violence."

Now...To me, this writer is IGNORING the fact that this is a parody based around how we should treat Bin Laden (Or, all terrorists) over what they did. But, if this writer is NOT ignoring this fact, he is actually saying that we should say to Bin Laden....."I'm sorry you feel the need to hit me to get me to agree with your point of view, but I maintain that violence only produces more violence."

And then, to top is all off, they try and compare the abuse of Blacks during the Civil Rights Movement to WHAT? It seems to me that they are comparing them to the terorrists. And, if we go after the terrorists, that is as bad as the fools who tried to stop the Civil Rights Movement. This simply AMAZES ME!!!

Is it just me or is this writer as big of an IDIOT as is possible? I mean, I can understand some dim-wit not understanding the parody and stating it is WRONG to punch a pacifist, but I can't believe that anyone at Democratic Underground is STUPID enough to allow this to be posted to their front page.

Or, am I missing something??? Are they trying to make a larger point? A point I or any of us may not agree with, but a point none the less?

[The G Man]

I wonder if they would hit the guy raping their wife or trying to murder their children.

The left. What a bunch of maroons. "Got Brains?"

[wideawake]

Dude, it's DU! What did you expect?

[Rightwing Canuck]

From the Democrat version:

11. Conservative slinks away distraught, his entire worldview shattered.

12. Student is dead. Conservative may feel bad, but quickly forgets it because student no longer exists.

That's what they don't realize. Osama will keep pounding us if we do nothing. The difference is that he won't 'slink away', but will smile when he realizes he's killed us all.

[PortugeeJoe]

Sorry Johnny, but the people on DU, kindly referred to as in 'DUH' viduals by Dogbert are this stupid. They do not have the brain capacity to understand parody and satire when it is used against them.

They also seem to lack the ability to distinguish the difference between a bully pushing someone out of the way and a terrorist killing 5,000 innocent civilians.

But then that's what makes us love in 'DUH' viduals that much more...

[Hillarys Gate Cult]

12. Student should stop buying discount illegal drugs. Paying the full price for their dope will stop these delusions.

[Gorest Gump]

Actually I would keep punching them until they were unconscious. The only good pacifist is an unconscious pacifist. ;>

[Big Guy and Rusty 99]

I have to try the conservative version.

do the democrips actually think that someone being hit actually wouldn't try to hit back? What do they think they are Ghandi now?

[doug from upland]

Any DU posters who would like to visit beautiful Upland, I will be glad to keep punching you. When you are bloodied enough, I will concede that you won and then begin punching you again.

[summer]

9. Conservative finally gets it through his puny little brain that violence, indeed does not work.

True -- in that over 5,00 people murdered by violence will "not work" in the WTC anymore.

True -- in that over 15,000 children without parents since September 11th also do "not work."

Yes, I agree: Violence "does not work" -- it kills. Just as it killed all those American civilians whose only crime was to show up for work one day.

[George Frm Br00klyn Park]

JS, The writer should have told all those people that Bin Laden "punched in the face" at the Towers. And their living relatives. Peace and love, George.

[lepton]

To illustrate, let's take another look at the conservative "argument."

1. Terrorist approaches student talking about peace and saying there should be no retaliation.

2. Terrorist engages in brief conversation, asks if military force is appropriate.

3. Student says, "No." Terrorist asks, "Why not?"

4. Student says something to the effect of, 'Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence.'

5. When student is in mid sentence, terrorist punches him in the face as hard as he can.

6. Student gets back up and says, "I'm sorry you feel the need to hit me to get me to agree with your point of view, but I maintain that violence only produces more violence."

7. Terrorist punches student in the face again, harder this time.

8. Steps 6 and 7 repeat as many times as necessary. 9. Terrorist finally gets it through his puny little brain that violence, indeed will not be responded to. Terrorist stops punching student and takes his money.

10. Student stands there and lets him take money.

11. Terrorist follows him home and moves into student's house. Student responds by turning up stereo.

12. Terrorist shoots student and keeps house for himself.

13. Neighbors frown disapprovingly, but there being no one who will move against him. Terrorist gets new neighbors from among the millions that don't mind what terrorist is doing to the hated enemy.

"That, my friends, is the power of non-violence". Gandhi raised an army that was responsible for killing over 4 million Indians to solidify control. His tactics only work against those who care what the civilized world thinks of them. Does anyone think that the reason that the Nazis rounded up and slaughtered the Jews was because they fought back? ...Gandhi suggested that the Jews present their throats to Hitler.

Bull Connor had to stop because, in the end, there were other people with guns who disapproved.

[Johnny Shear]

I'm serious with this question...

I can see one of the many idiots on that site posting this but they've got it on their FRONT PAGE!?????

Are they SERIOUSLY tying to compare the abuse of Civil Rights Leaders to us taking military action against Osama bin Laden?

I am looking for someone with a little better writing skills than I to confirm I am correct in thinking they've compeletly lost it!

[Snuffington]

6. Student gets back up and says, "I'm sorry you feel the need to hit me to get me to agree with your point of view, but I maintain that violence only produces more violence."

In college I had a friend who truly did used to think this way. He was serious about it too. We tried to persuade him he was wrong, but he couldn't be budged by our words.

Then one night he tried to put his ideology into practice.

Some rowdy drunks were looking for a fight one night when our friend happened along. When they pushed him he tried his line about being a pacifist. They knocked him down. He had always insisted that his refusal to fight back in such a case would make them become disheartened and go away. Unfortunately that didn't happen. Instead they kicked him until he was unconscious.

Luckily no permanent damage was done. But that event changed his pacifist world view in a way our words never could.

[Slush]

It's pretty clear whoever came up with this left wing response assumed the puncher was the US and the 'pacifist' is the innocent Afghan citizenry. While punching back on your own behalf is based on one set of principles, I think punching back on the behalf of someone else brings a whole different set of values to bear. If you came across the puncher and the pacifist, what would you do? Hit the puncher I'd imagine. Who would just stand there? Another pacifist saying he's sorry too? So in this parody, I think the US would really be the unmentioned bystander with a moral dilemma on his hands while the victims of the crime are the pacifist and the puncher is the terrorist demanding attention. Long story short, whoever wrote this response is a moron who is projecting his world view just a little.

[The Right Stuff]

That is the life-changing power that is ours for the taking***

Kumbaya, dude. Take a chill pill and let's all join hands.

Liberal: "Ahhhh" exhaling deeply held smoke....."Now where did I put those flowers for the rifles, dude?"

[finnman69]

The problem with the DU version is number 11. Osama is not going to slink away.

[NatureGirl]

Actually, I think one of the flaws in their logic is comparing what happened to the Blacks (a group of individuals) to what would happen to one individual. How can one person "rise up" or not be "beaten down"? A group or race can rise above violence against some of the individuals - an individual cannot.

If you follow what they're saying right down to the very end, it means that they'd prefer dying to fighting back - or to living. And this is what they are saying, by extension, about the terrorist situation. They would rather die than stop the problem at its root - because (according to them) violence begats violence. If you think about that, you'll know that they don't mind a lot of innocent people dying as well.

Of course, the real joke in all of it is that, if someone was being hit by a "conservative", their own violent nature would come out and they would fight back, or they would run screaming to Big Mommy government to get it to stop. But it sures sounds nice and sanctimonious to say that they would never never fight back. Why, they could even compare themselves to Gandhi!

The fact that they think by sitting back and doing nothing, terrorists will stop attacking is one of the stupidest, most short-sighted ideas I have ever heard.

[ThreeYearLurker]

I think I read something by one liberal columnist a few weeks ago that makes sense in this case. Pacifism and Gandhian non-violence only work when your opponent has a soul. Supposedly some Jews prior to WWII asked Gandhi what they should do to counter Nazism, and Gandhi advocated non-violence. Obviously that didn't work, as it won't against al Qaida.

The DUmocrat tends to beleive that the original point of "Punch the Pacifist" was to get liberals riled up...WRONG! The point is to show tht bin Laden is pure evil and no matter how peaceful we act, bin Laden won't stop until were all dead.

[lavaroise]

9. Conservative finally gets it through his puny little brain that violence, indeed does not work.

10. Conservative further realizes that, in trying to coerce student through violence that he himself has become Osama bin Laden.

11. Conservative slinks away distraught, his entire worldview shattered.

UH!? So the confined democrat win? The Democrat-less democrat wins? Okayy!

My world is shattered indeed.

The point is peace when facing aggression results in 100% collateral damage. War avoids 100% collateral damage. Dum a$$ dimbocraps, hence peace when faced with aggression is evil.

[dfrussell]

Assuming I can wear a glove, I'm willing to punch a few to test their theory..... when will they have their volunteers ready? :-)))