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To: thtr
He granted to all mankind the right to Property How do you know this? Did I miss this someplace in the Bible? Where does it say that God granted the right to own property to all men and women? You make things up out of thin air!

Actually it is to be found in the Bible, which is a book that I didn't make up out of the air. You can go and see yourself if you have a copy. Look in the Old Testament where God's commandments are listed. One good place is in Exodus 20. Depending on your translation, I suspect that Exodus 20:15 will say "Thou shalt not steal", or "Do not steal", or something similar.

By saying we shouldn't "steal" from one another God was equally saying that we have the right of Property. They are two ways of saying the exact same thing, after all.

You completely ignore the actual words of the amendment. “the right of a trial jury trial shall be preserved”. This reference is not granting a right to the government, it is plainly and obviously (in black and white) preserving an individual’s right in accordance to the rules of “common law” – not a God ordained right – common law

Actually, I have to agree with you. The Sixth Amendment, as I said way back in my post #53, is the one piece of the Bill of Rights which does appear to grant a few "rights", having to do with how the government must treat "the accused". In fact I said as much in my first post on this thread, #32.

The rest of the Amendments don't. Which bring us back to the original question I asked you in my posts #46 & 53: "Can you point to any Amendments in the Bill of Rights which explicitly "grant" rights to the people?", other than the Sixth Amendment?

Thanks.

Again, you offer no insight as to why these rights are God given. You simply repeat that they “are” – by your proclamation.

Um, so the Biblical reference isn't good enough for you?

Anyway, like I said, if you do not wish to believe that these rights are God-given, that is your prerogative. I don't know why you would be so against the idea and dislike it so much, but that's ok.

All I have really been doing is explaining to you that that's how the Founding Fathers saw things. They created a document which formed the basis for a country. Ergo, this country is built on the philosophy that people have God-given rights. And so, there exists today a group of people which believe this, that people have God-given rights. These people are called "Americans".

If you really really hate this philosophy so much, that's fine with me! Just leave. No one is forcing you to stay in America or consider yourself an "American", when the very country is built on a philosophy you hate. There are other countries built on other philosophies which you may find more to your liking.

154 posted on 10/19/2001 9:32:32 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Dr. Frank
You continue to beat the same inarticulate, self-righteous and sophomoric drum. "Anyway, like I said, if you do not wish to believe…”, “I don't know why you would be so against the idea…”, “If you really really hate this philosophy so much, that's fine with me! Just leave…”, “when the very country is built on a philosophy you hate”

Perhaps you have no idea how to engage someone in discussion. Perhaps you use this forum to pound your chest so that others will think highly of you. Perhaps you haven’t a clue.

155 posted on 10/19/2001 10:06:58 AM PDT by thtr
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