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To: thtr
It’s hard not to read this as a right defined by the bill.

Let me help you out. The natural right described here, is the right to settle disputes quickly.

Out in the wild, if some dude thought you were trespassing on his land or had raped his wife, you both would settle it quickly one way or another. And your guilt or innocence might be irrelevant to the outcome.

However, in a civilized society, the government holds the accused in a cell while the details of a trial are sorted out. For that time, all of his liberty is relinquished so that a jury may be found to decide his fate.

It is thus important that the innocent not be detained for extreme periods of time. You have the right to get on with your life if you are innocent.

You seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that the bill of rights doesn't exactly descibe the named right for any given article. For instance, the right to bear arms is more aptly described as a right to defend your own life with whatever means you can muster that won't harm innocent people. It is not a right granted by the government. Am I correct to guess you're arguing that only citizens have rights? You do realize that the founders did not agree that the Constitution or any of its amendments conferred any rights?

To the Contrary. In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson says that man is endowed by his Creator certain inalienable rights. They had no notions of a government granted right.

142 posted on 10/18/2001 11:41:38 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Demidog
Let me help you out. The natural right described here, is the right to settle disputes quickly.

Thank you, But I understand the reasoning behind the amendment. What I don’t understand is the reason why one would believe that the “right” is God given. Are you claiming that God has granted to every man and woman on earth the “right to settle disputes quickly”? I don’t understand the basis for this reasoning. I have read much on the Constitution and the lives of the founding fathers. Nowhere, have I read that any of them believed that God granted mankind the “right” to settle disputes quickly. They believed in many individual rights as expressed in English common law and indeed incorporated many into our laws.

”To the Contrary. In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson says that man is endowed by his Creator certain inalienable rights. They had no notions of a government granted right”

Jefferson goes on to say that among those rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It does not follow however (by any means of logic) that ALL rights are “endowed by their Creator”. Jefferson said “certain” rights not ALL rights (words have meaning). Indeed the history of the Constitutional is overflowing with debate on the balance of federal, state and individual rights. Those debates and their personal writings show that they had an enormous understanding of individual rights as defined by their new government.

146 posted on 10/19/2001 8:21:57 AM PDT by thtr
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