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To: Jerry_M; Star Traveler
These things are still more difficult to reconcile then even your attempts above.

Star Traveler is not quite as thoughtful as he thinks he is. In fact, as we shall see, what Star Traveler himself has called moral evil the Bible attributes ultimately to God. Although, I myself wouldn't call it that, but rather rely on the plain language of the Bible.

154 posted on 10/19/2001 6:04:46 AM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody; Jerry_M

Star Traveler is not quite as thoughtful as he thinks he is. In fact, as we shall see, what Star Traveler himself has called moral evil the Bible attributes ultimately to God. Although, I myself wouldn't call it that, but rather rely on the plain language of the Bible.

Well, in case you haven't noticed, I've been borrowing and quoting from historic Christianity and other Evangelical scholars and preachers and teachers and commentators. So, "excuse me"... if I don't claim this knowledge for myself.

Ya know..., some people would prefer to be "geniuses only in their own minds", regardless of what is going on in the world of Christianity with other well-respected and thoughtful people who have studied these things over the centuries and have devoted their lives to it. I don't contradict them -- those who honestly and faithfully study the Word of God. I give what the Bible says and what they say. It's a more advantageous position to stand on the shoulders of others who have devoted their lives to the study of the Bible and of Christianity, and use the Bible in conjunction with them. One has the ability to see further down the lens of Christianity this way, than using only one's own limited abilities.

Of course, there are always those who wish to contradict all competent teachers who adhere to the Word of God and prefer to come up with something "novel" out of their own limited understanding. The only thing that is accomplished there is the display of their ignorance, rather than the majesty of God as He shows us in the Bible.

And this "plain language" of the Bible sounds good. But, as we all know "the devil is in the details." What does this "plain language" consist of -- specifically in reference to Isaiah 45:7 -- wherein you wish to attribute moral evil (or unrighteounsess to God)?

Does it consist of the knowledge of the original languages, in which you have studied these and have written commentaries on them? Does this come from your own years of study from those languages? Is the the nature of the "plain language"? Or are you talking about the "plain language" of the English -- in which you are therefore using someone else's "scholarship" in providing you with those very words you are reading? Are you wanting to claim the "plain language" (using the scholarship of others and their lifetime studies) -- while at the same time denying it on the surface and saying that you can read this "plain language"?

Yes, the devil is in the details -- and I would say that you've got "a lot of devil in those details" that you're trying to perpetrate -- in that God is the author of moral evil in this universe (in the face of what He says and tells us). Too bad you don't listen to Job more carefully and seem to think more highly of yourself (which, by the way, was exactly the problem with Lucifer, aka Satan).

I would rather stand on the shoulders of giants who are faithful defenders of the Word of God, than in the quagmire of midgets, who revel in their own ignorance.

156 posted on 10/19/2001 6:29:20 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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