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To: gdani
My point about the presidency, the judiciary, states, counties, cities, universities and schools is that THEY are NOT bound to eliminate religion from government by way of the first ammendment... period!

Once more will print the first ammendment...

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The operative phrase here is CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW!!! Got it?? It is a restriction on Congress making laws. If Congress makes no law, there is no violation of the first ammendment. You cannot have violations of peoples first ammendment rights without congress passing a law.

As far as the 14th ammendment goes I will agree that it protects the first ammendment rights at a state level. You are now free to show me which state created an official state church (Is there a church of California?), outlawed a church or restricted the rituals of a church. If you can not show me where a state has violated the first ammendment by passing laws or where congress has passed laws establishing or restricting churches or their rituals, than all these arguements about separation of church and state amount to Judicial legislation.

It's time we took back our heritage and recognized that this is a tolerant Christian nation with NO restriction on government expressions Christianity.

40 posted on 10/17/2001 9:53:51 AM PDT by DCBurgess58
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To: DCBurgess58
If you can not show me where a state has violated the first ammendment by passing laws or where congress has passed laws establishing or restricting churches or their rituals

One quick example = Employment Division v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872 (1990) aka the Native American/peyote decision.

Using the same logic as the Supreme Court in this case, Catholic minors are forbidden, by law, from drinking Communion wine (although no one in their right mind would ever enforce such a thing).

The response by Congress was to pass the Religious Freedom Restoration Act but that was later struck down by the Supreme Court for reasons unrelated to the First Amendment

41 posted on 10/17/2001 11:06:25 AM PDT by gdani
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To: DCBurgess58
...show me where a state has violated the first ammendment by passing laws ... establishing ... churches or their rituals...

Prayer in public schools? It is the state establishing religious ritual in school, thus establishing those religions that sanction and hold prayer to be good and noble to a higher degree than those religions or non-religions that do not believe in prayer. State institutions should not be in the business of favoring one form of religious ritual over another. (At least that's the argument.)
42 posted on 10/17/2001 11:37:05 AM PDT by BikerNYC
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