Posted on 10/16/2001 6:27:33 AM PDT by TLBSHOW
but ya gots to wonder why there is a law regarding this in the first place
Why do I have to put my son in a private school but we're supposed to bend over backwards to make every oddball kook comfortable in our classrooms?
Many of the notable leaders of this nation including Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln, to name just two, had a deep and abiding personal faith in God, but were not associated with any particular religious denomination. These days, it seems you have to be "all or nothing" with characters like these in Madison.
Can one not aver a faith "in God," without establishing a religion? The founders seemed to think so, for their writings including their public pronouncements, bills introduced to become law, etc., are REPLETE with references to "God." It was always understood that, our nation being a pluralistic society and established primarily by those who came here to worship as they pleased, "God" was a personal definition. The only common factor was the belief in some sort of divine creator, a power greater than ourselves. The form and function of God might be in dispute, but the reality of God never was.
Now, however, we have the "state religion" that has been illegally established: Atheism. And atheism is the most intolerant of all "religious" beliefs because, being founded upon the principle of the great and eternal "nothing," it can't abide any and all who believe in "something."
That's really what this dispute was all about: "nothing" vs. "something." Patriotism vs. antagonistic indifference. The force greater than man vs. man's insufferable hubris.
Well, I'm glad to know that the principles espoused by the creators of this nation were once again acknowledged, even if reluctantly, by this arrogant school board.
Looks like their still is hope for this country yet!(:^>
BTW ... I also sent e-mails and called!
For two reasons:
1. The law is and always has been a great teacher. Most laws of this kind don't specify a PENALTY for disobedience. They instead codify the expections of the community. Note that there is no requirement in this law to participate, merely a mandate that certain principles be taught, in this case by modeling behavior.
2. Unfortunately, politics abhors a vacuum. The godless and atheistic among us have taken advantage of this, to aver that where the Constitution requires that no religion (that is, specific denomination) be ESTABLISHED, it must perforce mean that no religious sentiment might even be accomodated. Laws like the "Religious Freeom Protection Act," which in former times would have been glaringly unnecessary, have become obligatory because the forces of evil seek to fill the void left by the lapse in personal faith.
I have NO problem in mandating that standards like this be established. I just think it is profoundly sad that it's even necessary.
8 hour meeting! LOL
Maybe you need to make up a protest thread here and they need a good FReeping there. In fact now is the time to stand up to these fools and commies. When ever you see or hear of idiots talk, freep em good. We need emails and phone numbers and lots of FReepers to do it, but it can be done. If it can be done in Commie MAdison Wis.
IMHO, this statement is a cop out. I still feel it is disrespectful to sit during an official display of the Flag, and saying the Pledge at the start of each day would be considered *official* in my book. Stand up, take off your damn hat, and be quiet, if you can't find it in your heart to Pledge Allegiance to the symbol of the country that gave you the right to be a jerk!
I better go get some coffee, I'm getting all worked up.
These people are so sad. What part of "and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands" do they have so much trouble with?
It has been said over and over that we are a REPUBLIC and not a democracy but they just don't get it. The differences are not trivial. It is the republican (small 'r') form of government that protects minorities of all types against the tyranny of the mob.
We can't expect the schools to teach this without being forced. If more people understood this, the liberals would be in even more trouble politically than they are.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LoanPalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
What would be a genuine display of patriotism??? No doubt in my mind this fella knows and cares nothing about patriotism...He may be Islamic...Wonder if anyone checked...
I know the phrase "and the republic for which it stands" is part of the pledge.
Can anyone show me where the founders of this nation, the men who fought for independence, would have wanted forced loyalty pledges ? I see parallels with the 2nd Admendment here: it is (or should be my right to have personal arms IF I CHOOSE but you may not FORCE me to have them if I don't wish to;likewise, I may CHOOSE to publicly recite pledges OR NOT, and you have no right to FORCE me.Neither may I or you stop one who DOES wish to pledge (or own a gun or any of the other rights.)
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