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Body of St Luke Gains Credibility
New York Times ^ | October 16,2001 | NICHOLAS WADE

Posted on 10/15/2001 9:43:54 PM PDT by gcruse

              October 16, 2001

              'Body of St. Luke' Gains Credibility

              By NICHOLAS WADE

                   new DNA analysis gives tentative
                   support to the belief that the remains
              in an ancient lead coffin are those of St.
              Luke, traditionally considered the author of
              the third Gospel and the Acts of the
              Apostles.

              Dr. Guido Barbujani, a population geneticist
              at the University of Ferrara, Italy, has
              extracted DNA from a tooth in the coffin.
              He concluded that the DNA was
              characteristic of people living near the region of Antioch, on the eastern
              Mediterranean, where Luke is said to have been born. Radiocarbon dating
              of the tooth indicates that it belonged to someone who died between 72
              A.D. and 416 A.D.

              A report by Dr. Barbujani and colleagues appears today in the Proceedings
              of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States.

              The Evangelist, according to ancient sources, was a physician who was born
              in Antioch and died at 84 in about 150 A.D. in the Greek city of Thebes.
              The coffin with his remains was taken to Constantinople, the capitol of the
              Byzantine empire, in 338 A.D. and later moved to Padua, Italy.

              Dr. Barbujani and his colleagues speculate that the coffin may have been sent
              out of Constantinople for safekeeping, either during the reign of the Emperor
              Julian, who tried to restore paganism, or during the iconoclast period of the
              eighth century, when many religious images and objects were destroyed.

              The coffin is known to have been in Padua at least since 1177 A.D. It was
              placed in a marble sarcophagus and kept in the Basilica of Santa Giustina. It
              was last opened in 1562 A.D. and seems to have been somewhat ignored
              until October 1992. At that time the bishop of Padua, Antonio Mattiazzo,
              received a letter from Hieronymos, the Orthodox Metropolitan of Thebes,
              asking that part of the relics to be donated to the site of Luke's tomb in
              Thebes.

              Bishop Mattiazzo, according to an article in November 2000 in Traces, a
              Catholic journal, decided to investigate the relics under the leadership of Dr.
              Vito Terribile Viel Marin, a pathologist at the University of Padua. In 1998
              the 400-year-old seals were removed from the lead coffin, and the study
              began.

              The dimensions of the coffin exactly fit the tomb in Thebes considered to be
              Luke's. In the coffin was a skeleton, but not the skull.

              Dr. Barbujani and his colleagues say the body appears to have decomposed
              in the coffin because of matching insect marks on the lead and the pelvis,
              which has fused to the lead.

              The spread in the radiocarbon dating indicates at least two possibilities. One
              is that the body is that of Luke or a man who died at the same time, the other
              is that for some reason, a new body was put in the coffin in Constantinople
              around 300 A.D.

              To help distinguish between the two, Dr. Barbujani, an expert on the genetics
              of European populations, analyzed fragments of DNA from the tooth, a
              canine, found on the floor of the coffin, and sought to compare them with
              likely living representatives of the ancient populations of Antioch and of
              Constantinople. An Antioch match would suggest the body could be Luke's.

              Since the present population of Antioch includes many Kurds, Dr. Barbujani
              sampled the DNA of Syrians from nearby Aleppo. In place of the inhabitants
              of ancient Constantinople, now Istanbul, he tested Greeks from Attica and
              Crete.

              The DNA from the Padua tooth, a type inherited only through the mother's
              line, turned out to resemble Syrian DNA more than Greek DNA.

              "Our data tell us the body is absolutely compatible with a Syrian origin," he
              said. "But I am aware of the limitations of the DNA data, and though a broad
              spectrum of ages is possible, the most likely is 300 A.D." Hence both
              possibilities should remain open, he said.

              The body, if indeed it is Luke's, has experienced a simpler voyage through
              history than the head, which was removed by the Emperor Charles IV in
              1354 and taken from Padua to Prague, where it rests in the Cathedral of St.
              Vitus, in the Prague Castle.

              "There were officially two heads of St. Luke, one at Prague and one in
              Rome," Dr. Barbujani said. At Bishop Mattiazzo's request, the Prague skull
              was brought to Padua and found to fit perfectly to the topmost neck bone.
              The tooth, found on the floor of the coffin, also fit into the right socket in the
              jawbone.

              Though many relics turn out to be forgeries, executed in modern or medieval
              times as demand arose, the Padua body seems more likely than most to be
              what it is claimed to be, although exact proof is lacking.

              "I think we should accept that there is no way to tell if it was the Evangelist
              Luke, but the genetic evidence does not contradict the idea," Dr. Barbujani
              said.

              Last October, according to the Traces article, at least part of the body
              completed the circle to its original resting place. Bishop Mattiazzo sent a rib
              from the skeleton for Metropolitan Hieronymus to place in the empty Theban
              tomb.


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1 posted on 10/15/2001 9:43:54 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: JMJ333
Ping
2 posted on 10/15/2001 9:44:20 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Thanks! His feast day is also coming up on the 18th of this month.


3 posted on 10/15/2001 9:51:03 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Squire
bttt
4 posted on 10/15/2001 9:55:02 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: gcruse; JMJ333
The Evangelist, according to ancient sources, was a physician who was born in Antioch and died at 84 in about 150 A.D. in the Greek city of Thebes.

That can't be right. He'd 've been born in AD 64 by that reckoning, 2 years after he wrote his Gospel and the Book of Acts in AD 62. I'll wager they are off at least 30 years in their date of his death.

5 posted on 10/15/2001 10:18:14 PM PDT by Andrew Byler
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To: Serb5150
a relics bump
6 posted on 10/15/2001 10:22:16 PM PDT by jwfiv
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To: Andrew Byler
St. Luke
7 posted on 10/15/2001 10:31:46 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: JMJ333
Another good link; Here
8 posted on 10/15/2001 10:35:46 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: gcruse
In an earlier test, the Jesuits found that there was talk that St Luke had a curved spine. The skeleton also had a curved spine.

The curved spine was from an afflication in St Luke"s old age. I believe the Jesuits found documentation that St Luke had it and that the match of the skeleton made it likely it was St Luke. I will see if I can find this article. Some of the medical studied have been going on for some time.

9 posted on 10/15/2001 10:48:30 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
http://www.traces-cl.com/archive/2000/novembre/luca.htm

From the article:

The research has shown that the bones belonged to a Syrian. This conclusion was reached by the geneticist Guido Barbujani after an analysis of the DNA. The skeleton belongs to a man who died in old age, presumably between 70 and 85 (which is perfectly in line with the information in the two Prologues), about 5 feet 4 inches tall, and of a stocky build. Dr. Terribile Wiel Marin has found in the bones a serious form of osteoporosis, arthrosis of the spine, and considerable wearing down of the teeth.

10 posted on 10/15/2001 10:55:03 PM PDT by topher
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To: topher
http://www.traces-cl.com/archive/2000/novembre/luca.htm

From the article:

The research has shown that the bones belonged to a Syrian. This conclusion was reached by the geneticist Guido Barbujani after an analysis of the DNA. The skeleton belongs to a man who died in old age, presumably between 70 and 85 (which is perfectly in line with the information in the two Prologues), about 5 feet 4 inches tall, and of a stocky build. Dr. Terribile Wiel Marin has found in the bones a serious form of osteoporosis, arthrosis of the spine, and considerable wearing down of the teeth.

11 posted on 10/15/2001 10:55:57 PM PDT by topher
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To: Buffalo Bob; Cicero
Early morning ping for you. Good article, but perhaps the one from November 2000 is better and has more detail.
12 posted on 10/16/2001 6:40:37 AM PDT by topher
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To: pke; Irma; cajungirl
Early morning ping on what I consider to be a good article.
13 posted on 10/16/2001 6:42:07 AM PDT by topher
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To: jwfiv
Amazing stuff. Thanks for the bump, you always seem to know which threads will interest me the most.
I'm wondering if the Radiocarbon dating is being thrown off by the same stuff that happened with the shroud...
14 posted on 10/16/2001 9:00:32 AM PDT by Serb5150
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To: gcruse
Bump.
15 posted on 10/16/2001 12:34:45 PM PDT by patent
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To: Andrew Byler
St. Luke was a proselyte to the Christian religion, but whether from Paganism or rather from Judaism is uncertain; for many Jews were settled in Antioch, but chiefly such as were called Hellenists, who read the Bible in the Greek translation of the Septuagint. St. Jerome observes from his writings that he was more skilled in Greek than in Hebrew, and that therefore he not only always makes use of the Septuagint translation, as the other authors of the New Testament who wrote in Greek do, but he refrains sometimes from translating words when the propriety of the Greek tongue would not bear it. Some think he was converted to the faith by St. Paul at Antioch; others judge this improbable, because that apostle nowhere calls him his son, as he frequently does his converts. St. Epiphanius makes him to have been a disciple of our Lord; which might be for some short time before the death of Christ, though this evangelist says he wrote his gospel from the relations of those "who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word."[4] Nevertheless, from these words many conclude that he became a Christian at Antioch only after Christ's ascension. Tertullian positively affirms that he never was a disciple of Christ whilst he lived on earth.[5] No sooner was he enlightened by the Holy Ghost and initiated in the school of Christ but he set himself heartily to learn the spirit of his faith and to practice its lessons
16 posted on 10/16/2001 12:44:54 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Andrew Byler
Luke 1 Many have undertaken to draw up an account of the things that have been fulfilled[Or been surely believed] among us,
just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses and servants of the word.
Therefore, since I myself have carefully investigated everything from the beginning, it seemed good also to me to write an orderly account for you, most excellent Theophilus,

17 posted on 10/16/2001 12:46:45 PM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: gcruse
There were officially two heads of St. Luke...

I must have missed that part of Acts.
18 posted on 10/16/2001 1:05:22 PM PDT by sendtoscott
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To: topher
Very interesting read! Thanks for the flag!
19 posted on 10/16/2001 4:15:03 PM PDT by Irma
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To: Andrew Byler
Luke was a follower of Jesus when he was crucified in the 32-32 A.D. He was also an adult then so the date is MORE than 30 years off for his birth.
20 posted on 10/16/2001 4:19:35 PM PDT by shatcher
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