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Of course this is NOT my point. My point was that that particular verse doesn't say what [apparently] most catholics [and a lot of protestants] THINK it says. It has to do with how Scripture comes to us---God's word penned through the prophets. What they wrote was not their own interpretation of God's Word. I wanted to make that point because I get tired of people using that verse incorrectly. Find a different verse to prove YOUR point (that no one can understand the Word of God without a magic sternum to interpret for them); but STOP twisting 2 Peter 2:21.

Contrast this with:

I haven't seen anyone on this thread claiming inerrancy!

I would guess you don't know Havoc? He pontificates about the true meaning of Scripture all the time. He doesn't claim only inerrancy, he claims to speak the Word of God.

We all at times speak to the "true" meaning of Scripture, like you above. You are sure that you know the true meaning of this passage. If you are not claiming inerrancy here, you are certainly claiming "errancy" on our part.

He doesn't care if we have a picture of him or his mom in our yard. It's what's inside that counts.

Oh really? When did the 10 commandments get thrown out? I wonder. This is awful big news to the Lord, I'm sure.

Jesus internalized the 10 Commandments. He made them not about outward shows and legalistic adhereing to minutiae and every jot and tittle. He was all about spiritualizing. He doesn't want the foreskin from our penises, he wants the foreskin of our hearts. Your obsession with this carnal matter of statues totally misses the point. It is about what we worship with our hearts and minds and actions.

I need you to clarify your answer to TRD. I'm sure you thought it was a clear answer, but we know how that goes. Do you not wear mixed linen and wool? Do you follow every jot and tittle of the Law? You said to ignore any was to ignore all of it, I took this to mean that you try your best to obey the whole Law. Is this true?

Also, are you still an artist, and if yes, what is the type of art you produce?

Let me apologize for that outburst. Though I meant something like that, at some level, there was no excuse for me to reply to you in that manner. My tongue (typing) got ahead of my brain. Believe me, I don't think of you that way, (some maybe) but not you. Please forgive,

It's OK. We all get carried away and speak unkindly sometimes. It's important that we try to recognize when we do. You are forgiven.

I do not know all there is to know about this verse, much less the whole passage, but I do know that it is addressing the SOURCE of prophecy rather than the COMPREHENSION of prophecy. I think you are just trying to make me look like I believe myself to be inerrant, when you know that I make no such claim. Shame.

SD wrote:

I would guess you don't know Havoc? He pontificates about the true meaning of Scripture all the time. He doesn't claim only inerrancy, he claims to speak the Word of God.

Havoc, do you believe your opinions on Scripture are without error?