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Don't need your links. I have a Bible that is very clear on the subject and you haven't made it over that hurdle yet. What makes you think your links matter a whit if the Bible is against you. You might as well go ask the Chinese their opinion on the subject - just as good as your links: Neither has any affect but to lie to would be believers and attempt to make God's word of none effect. If the Bible said what you want, the links wouldn't be needed.

Breathtakingly anti-intelectual. I'm sure your proud of this. But why should we read your posts or entertain your ideas when you won't reciprocate. Are you afraid of learning something that counters your swollen sense of being the Lord's personal messenger?

Sure, I remember the fliers that John passed out,"join the saints", "go where no man has gone before", well I fell for that one, and the only relief in sight may be when God tears the earth up, and puts in his new heavenly city, but who knows when that will happen, and when I asked someone when the big day was coming, I was told that, that day and hour knows no man, and since I cant find time to get away from my job, I guess I'll just have to keep listening to all these whiners down there asking for such stupid things as if I know where he put his dumb car keys, heck, I had some keys once, but I don't even remember what I did with them, let alone yours.

Wow. Again we see the selfish Protestant individualism rear its ugly head. To even think that one could be so selfish and uncaring about the rest of the Christian family while in the very presence of God Himself in Heaven.

Breathtakingly anti-intelectual.

There ya go again Dave. Just how intelectual and scholarly might one have to be to attain salvation and beyond to your spiritual heights oh great one? And where do we find this in scripture?

Here's one for ya Dave since you're keeping the "intelectual meter" on these threads. "1 Corinthians 8; 1 Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth. 2 And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.

Time for a little perspective around here. Pay particular attention to verse 2.