[SoothingDave]

Ok I did but could you give me a brief summary of what I missed?

I agree. Now Big Mack, would you agree that by suffering the sufferer is changed, transformed? That suffering in the name of Christ develops "character" (for lack of a better word)?

SD

[RobbyS]

A question I would put to Angelo is: Does suffering transform? I say this because I have read that some Jews have said that we are wrong to think of Anna Frank as a "saint," that Judaism has no "saints."

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Sure it builds charater.

James 1:3-4 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, the ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

Without trials and tribulations we can't know our own faith. So each time we face a trial and come out a winner (for lack of better word) we know we can stand that much, so the next time will be easier. If we don't come out a winnner, we should learn that we must not be trusting Jesus but our own selves to get through troubles and pray for his help, which will also help the next time.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I agree. Now Big Mack, would you agree that by suffering the sufferer is changed, transformed? That suffering in the name of Christ develops "character" (for lack of a better word)?

Yes I would agree, but none of it is of our doing. This is what I mean, if it wasn't for Christ saving me and causing a change in me, I wouldn't change on my own, His power works thru us an in us for our good. He keeps us, we don't.

BigMack