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Ahah! So, we're not dealing with salvation here, we're dealing with philosophy all of a sudden. OSAS. The exact thing the catholics are guilty of doing has cropped up among us once again - phollowing phillosophy (yes the ph is on purpose).

Once saved always saved is not in the Bible. Never has been, never will be. There are bold assertions in the Bible that strongly deal with that philosophy head on and run it through whilst waving the red cape in the air. The bull falls to the ground. Just lets warn the spectators not to step in it. Simon Magus was saved and was turned away afterward. That isn't eternal salvation. And when the Bible says he was saved yet was turned away, it does mean he was saved - no room for anyone to assume he wasn't in defense of a philosophy. Romans 8 makes the loud distinction between the saved who follow and those who don't - the one's that do are His, which aligns with John 10 and the description of who belongs to Him.

I stand for scripture and truth of the Spirit regardless of whether I like any of you or not. OSAS is philosophy, not scripture. Eternal security belongs to those who have finished the race, as Paul said, not to those who have just begun it. If they cross the finish last or first, the important thing is crossing the finish line. If I stand alone, I stand alone; but, I'll do it on scripture and the Spirit of the Lord - not philosophies.

"Simon Magus was saved and was turned away afterward."

Acts 8:9-24:
"But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me."

Please show me where Simon was turned away and lost his salvation. Seems to me Peter just reproved him, Simon was still young in the faith, and told him to repent of his sin before God. There is no indication of his losing his salvation. Young believers make mistakes and do things wrong because they are babes. Simon was a babe in Christ and he sinned. So Peter rebuked him and told him to repent of his sin. Seems pretty standard procedure to me.

JM