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How about all of the men throughout history that safeguarded our Scriptures from relevant error? God worked through these fallible, sinful men (mostly Catholics) in an infallible way.

I don't think these men had a clue what they were doing, and certainly never expected the scripture to be used against them. They knew they had the scripture locked up, and no one could touch it with out their permission, so they felt safe enough to be honest with the findings because they couldn't picture a day when they would have to share them with the world outside of the RCC.

It is obvious they were making laws that were directly against the scripture they had in their hands, but they did what they wanted to do anyway.

And here we are, back to the "all Catholics are conniving, lying, murdering bastards."

When they were keeping the Bible alive through transcribing it, and the writings of the Classical world through the dark ages, those Irish monks had no idea what they were doing!

And if they knew that people might actually read the Bible some day they would have never done it!

And they knew that what they were doing was anti-Scriptural but didn't care.

Hey, Jim, I have anews flash for ya! Catholics don't believe they are countering Scripture. We don't interpret Scripture in the same, often simplistic, way you do. Sorry. I know it's hard to understand, but when you sttart from the assumption that Catholics know they are doing something wrong and don't care that is no way to convince anybody of anything.

Try for a minute to pretend that Catholics actually believe what they say. I know it's hard.

"We could say "Catholic Christian" or "Lutheran Christian" or "Presbyterian Christian" but it is awfully pedantic to most."

Why don't you just say Christian? I see multi-culturalism has hit the religious scene. Just like people calling themselves African-Americans, latino-Americans, and asian-americans, as a way to distance themselves from America, we now have religious people doing this by hyphenating Christianity. Catholic-Christians, Baptist-Christians, and so forth. It really is a sad day when man comes before Christ.

JM