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The danger of reading Greek dictionary entries is that we can find things that support our interpretation which have absolutely nothing to do with the context.

Thank you. Like, for example, classical uses of certain words meaning "little rock" and "rock"?

Good misdirection.

I'm sorry I thought you were making a good point about the unlearned use of Greek dictionaries to make points without understanding the context. I guess if the sword is two-pronged you don't like getting burnt by the blowback. (How's that for a mixed metaphor?)

It remains an awfully good point, regardless of whose ox gets gored.

I have now made two extensive posts on the use of trogo in John 6 but no one has bothered to try to refute them. Further, no one has ceased using trogo as a piece of the puzzle of transubstantiation. When faced with the evidence, ignore. Or point back to an issue that is tangential to the method I used in making my point.

I do find you opinion pieces enlightening but am in no position to make an argument with you about it. If the word for "Gnaw" has symbolic uses as well as literal animal like uses then I guess you have a point.

It doesn't change the truth about the sermon Jesus gave as I see it. Even when we fully understand the words used in English we still see different things. One sees a miracle and the other sees a metaphor. Our dissertation on the meaning of the metaphor to semitic culture doesn't stop Havoc et al from ignoring our points and steaming merily on ahead.

Such is the life here. Your scholarship is appreciated.

It remains an awfully good point, regardless of whose ox gets gored.

My ox didn't get gored either way. I believe that I am the only Proddie on these threads who reads Mt. 16:18 the same as the Catholics (though we obviously arrive at different places from the same reading). So, the petra argument is irrelevant to me, which made your change of the subject all the more aggravating ;)

Thank you. Like, for example, classical uses of certain words meaning "little rock" and "rock"?

You mean more like the standard usage which shows a difference in meaning between hunk or slab of loose rock as opposed to bedrock or firmly grounded cliffs, mountains or sepulchres. OOPs. Cant carve a grave out of a slab there Dave. Nor is a slab big enough for oh, say a foundation.

We have to look at how the authors used the words - not how you wish they had been used. Oops, that would be a part of exegesis wouldn't it. ;) Wake up - alarm's goin off.