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To: saradippity
I think the number is between 25 and 30%.I also think it was an orchestrated infiltration with the specific objective of destroying the Roman Catholic Church from within. I have been complaining about this on this thread for quite some while. I specifically addressed you and 5 others in late February.You did not respond. The post is #29829.

S - You're right, I hadn't responded. Actually, I just went back and re-read the post. Its obviously something written with great passion, so I'm going to re-post it here in full:

The problem with the pedophile priests is a source of great pain and sadness to all Catholics who seek to know,love and serve God. The entire "affair",shrouded in secrecy stands truth on its head and seems to be the work of a supernatural evil or Satan,ably abetted by his emmissaries on earth.

There is a network of persons,clerical and laity that are bound by a tie that supercedes race,religion,ethnicity and sex. I have encountered it in the secular world and have watched as fairness,justice and truth have vanished as the protective shield which envelops those bonded thusly is placed around an "incident" or series of "incidents". My own belief which I have expressed before on these threads is that it is a part of a deliberate attempt to destroy the Catholic Church so that an elite group of "men who would be gods" can enslave the rest of us "men who should be peasants". In order to destroy the Church it is necessary to shake the faith of believers and to eliminate the Pope and Magisterium. To accomplish this infiltrators have been admitted to the priesthood,who are now acting out all over the place and shaking the faith of many.Concomitantly there is a steady attack on the Pope and Magisterium.

Rome has spoken over and over again about the grave disorder of homosexuality and yet many of the hierarchy here continue to pay no attention to Rome. I had a fat old babe catechist,thinking she was cute tell a class she was teaching on the New Catechism,that it would soon be rewritten,that she wanted to be a Bishop and we didn't have to worry about the old Pope,he was ill and would die soon.I finally stood up and told her that I was sick of her pontificating and after class was over I was going to report her to someone very powerful and furthermore I was not going to walk out of the classes but I would attend everyone of them. She would have far preferred that I leave which is what most people do if they are sickened by what they hear but I knew that it was far less pleasant for her if I came to every class,sat in the fromt row and stared at her. That is what I did for her whole series;she was then removed as a teacher. Unfortunately I think they cloned her because most,but not all are teaching error.

As you can imagine I have spent much time trying to determine what has happened,how it can be combatted and what I need to do. I pray a lot and have some thoughts about the silence of the Bishops and Cardinals that I will pass on and hope that you have suggestions because so very many people are being hurt. I am expecially sorry for the many good and holy priests who are subject to so much humiliation.

The silence of the hierarchy is attributable to one of four major reasons which I will rank in the order that I think reflects the frequency.1)They are being blackmailed for their own sexual indiscretions,for which they may have repented and never again fallen or may have never repented and continue on in their reprobate ways.In this category are those blackmailed to protect another member of the hierarchy who maybe a personal friend or classmate.2]They are beholden to some wealthy powerful parishioners who have the means to reduce the style of living to which they have become accustomed if they intimate that sex outside of marriage or same sex relationships are sinful.3)Several are so good and holy they cannot believe that their brother bishops or their priests could be capable of such evil and just do not hear,or they have found a good priest,who had alienated someone accused wrongly and don't want to cause that kind of pain.4)They are not particularly bright and think publicity will cause scandal or that they are to follow Christ's words to Peter to forgive 7 times 70 and they have a few hundred forgivenesses yet to go.

Whatever, they are all wrong and must assure that innocents are not convicted but that pedophiles and homosexuals be removed from the priesthood and sent to civil court for their just punishment. I think all Catholics would understand if our money paid damages to the victims and their families as long as they put an end to this silly,pathetic,sinful permissiveness. I have more to say but I am past making sense and your eyes are glazing over.Sorry for going on so long but I think so much more is at stake for all of us.

I am in agreement, as far as I understand the subtleties of the issues involved, with the conservative Catholics who are trying to reclaim Western Catholicism from the progressives. The problem obviously seems to go back to the beachhead established by modernists in the RCC 50 years ago, from which they've been continually expanding their influence.

My reason for posting the Andrew Sullivan article was not to attack RC's, but rather to allow the RC's here to better drag the skeleton in to the light. Obviously, the homosexual and leftist community feels quite at home in the RCC. While they recognize that there are doctrines that condemn them, they seem to believe that it is possible for them to win this fight for the soul of the RCC if they stick it out long enough. Otherwise, they'd bolt and go join up where they know they're welcome - like with the Episcopalians or the Unitarians.

Why? Is there some core vulnerability that they are targeting? Are they merely hoping in strength of numbers? Are they relying on party politics identification? These are mostly rhetorical questions, but they do disturb me. I suppose I should be happy that I don't understand the ideology and agenda of perversion. But I just can't fathom the mindset of the practitioners of a particular behavior condemned by a group pushing for as many people as possible to be openly in support of this behavior.

What if, God forbid, the next Pope is not a conservative? I know next to nothing of Cardinals and the method for election of a Pope, but isn't it possible that this could happen? Could there be widespread Schism? Or is this likely to settle down within the next few months as the "scandal" departs from the headlines?

32,219 posted on 03/06/2002 10:05:36 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Wordsmith
Why? Is there some core vulnerability that they are targeting? Are they merely hoping in strength of numbers?

I would say no.

First. I would disagree with the notion that "the homosexual and leftist community feels quite at home in the RCC". Read some more of their websites and you will find that Catholics and Fundamentalists are their biggest enemies (I'm sure Orthodox would be up there too if there were more of them here).

As to why there is an attraction for some of them... I think it's explained by the debate of a few days ago. Catholic strongly believe that you hate the sin and love the sinner. You've heard: "God loves you just the way you are, but He loves you too much to let you stay that way."

Perhaps they are attracted by people who draw you in to a relationship (bad word, I know) with God without saying that you are somehow "more sinfull" than I am (sin being sin). I hope that there are more sinners who are attracted to Christianity by this mistaken notion that they are "ok" to stay exactly as they are.

32,232 posted on 03/06/2002 10:18:03 AM PST by IMRight
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To: Wordsmith;all
In a Philosophy class in 1959 in a secular university we were discussing Marxism,Leninism,communism and socialism.The professor remarked that despite the heavy push and the readiness to use any means to win those,"isms" would not prevail. He said two things assured this;the presence of the Roman Catholic Church which insisted man's allegience to God was paramount and would prevent any organiation led by man to take the reins,as well as the American middle class which he said these theorists had not counted on when they developed the "struggling masses vs.the rich and powerful".

Those "men who would be Gods"must have heard him because it seems that shortly thereafter the "big guns"were aimed at both the Church and the middle class. They have used taxes,sex without consequences and disdain for authority to pave the way.The conduits have been the media and the education system who are doing a good job,unfortunately.

32,275 posted on 03/06/2002 11:06:26 AM PST by saradippity
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To: Wordsmith;Saradippity
Otherwise, they'd bolt and go join up where they know they're welcome - like with the Episcopalians or the Unitarians.

I would hope any person would be welcome in the house of the Lord. I guess you think only those ugly Escopalians and Unitarians should be open to those you feel are "unfit". Do you mean that as a, not so disguised, insult?
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What if, God forbid, the next Pope is not a conservative? I know next to nothing of Cardinals and the method for election of a Pope, but isn't it possible that this could happen? Could there be widespread Schism? Or is this likely to settle down within the next few months as the "scandal" departs from the headlines?

Have no fear. JP II has spent his entire Papacy packing the College of Cardinals with "his" people. You may not be thrilled if/when the RCC goes back to the "good old days".
32,282 posted on 03/06/2002 11:16:11 AM PST by OLD REGGIE
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