[Havoc]

And of course, the all knowing, all seeing, Word of God on earth, Havoc, if transported back to the days of yesteryear, would instantly be able to tell that the forged decretals were forged. Just by examining them. What a talent he is.

Why not. The Holy Spirit leads in all things. You're trying to sell us that he Protects you while at the same time leading you into error and darkness for 1100 years. But we know the Holy spirit doesn't lead people into error or darkness. And he doesn't lead people into creating frauds like the decretals, or into buying into or creating frauds like the many false books of ignatious that your church still clings to in spirit but grudgingly admitted were fakes. YOU keep telling us your church knows better and is the ONLY one who can know the full truth, yet it is your church that has been more readily duped, more readily willing to lie and commit fraud... And for 1100 years Your religion was in such darkness of being clueless whilst saying they were the keeper of truth.. WHAT truth, the truth of the Books of Clement, the Homilies, The Donation of Constantine, of Pepin? How about the forged gospels that we haven't even began to discuss? what of all those? Duped continuously, yet the world is supposed to TRUST the RCC that knows better.... I'd more readily trust Mr. Magoo to tell me What's 3 feet ahead of him..

[SoothingDave]

Why not. The Holy Spirit leads in all things. You're trying to sell us that he Protects you while at the same time leading you into error and darkness for 1100 years. But we know the Holy spirit doesn't lead people into error or darkness. And he doesn't lead people into creating frauds like the decretals, or into buying into or creating frauds like the many false books of ignatious that your church still clings to in spirit but grudgingly admitted were fakes. YOU keep telling us your church knows better and is the ONLY one who can know the full truth, yet it is your church that has been more readily duped, more readily willing to lie and commit fraud... And for 1100 years Your religion was in such darkness of being clueless whilst saying they were the keeper of truth.. WHAT truth, the truth of the Books of Clement, the Homilies, The Donation of Constantine, of Pepin? How about the forged gospels that we haven't even began to discuss? what of all those? Duped continuously, yet the world is supposed to TRUST the RCC that knows better.... I'd more readily trust Mr. Magoo to tell me What's 3 feet ahead of him..

Wow! Three colors! I'm impressed.

Now, what are you on about? Why are you confusing the Church's role in determining Truth in matters of faith and morals with the magical ability to be able to without flaw determine the absolute truth or falsehood of every single thing under the sun? This wouldn't be deliberate, would it?

Please give me one example of anything you are claiming as a fraud that the Church either didn't know about or perpetuated itself that means a damn about anything about faith and morals.

Good Lord, Havoc, I'd be pissed at the Church as well if I thought it was magic in knowing all truth about all things at all times like you apparently think we claim. It's about scope. Look into it before you go complete chromatic.

SD