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To: allend
If they haven't been, then you'll have to throw out the Bible, and all other historical documents before about 300 A.D. We have no original manuscripts, and even the original manuscripts themselves, whether you're talking about scripture or anything else, were written to a great extent from word-of-mouth testimony.

Excuse me. The Bible manuscripts were not stated verbatim in the 33ad and then suddenly written down as inerrant in 2002. Your comparison is as useless as your tradition. And we aren't talking about mere word of mouth testimony, either. Word of mouth testimony assumes it comes from someone, first hand who knows just what the heck they're talking about because they were witness to it. No one in the Catholic church can claim that. Any more bad appeals to reason that you wish to make?

We give you the historical evidence -- from Irenaeus, Justin Martyr, etc., but you reject it because you care nothing for the truth, which is to say, you care nothing for Jesus, because he is the Truth. You care for nothing but your own manufactured religion.

One, you need to stop looking in the mirror and speaking to me. If you speak to yourself, you get your point across to yourself. My religion isn't manufactured. I follow Christ in Spirit and truth. I don't need false piety as in whipping myself to make myself seem to suffer for God (oh boy) or such nonsense as all that. I reject the garbage that is produced and called gold. I reject forgery that is offered for genuine. I reject what is unproven, unsupported by fact, inconsistent with scripture and highly intermingled with known fraud and forgery. Of course I reject many of your sources. As many as are frauds or have no authority from which to speak, I'll denounce. You produce someone that is consistant fully with the scriptures, just one person, And I might begin to listen to something they had to say - so long as it too is in line fully with scripture. You can't even do that. If the Devil writes a book, talks about jesus in nothing but lies that we would not have a way of proving lies, then passed them off as the writings of Ignatious, how would you know they were fraud. If they looked smelled and acted 100% genuine, how would you know they were bad? You probably wouldn't. Your Church, the RCC, Has a demonstrated and proven track record for not knowing and for using known frauds - both. So on what basis are you going to sit and claim that the RCC has the first CLUE as to what inspired scripture is if they don't know and would just as readily sell you a fraud to further their goals.

32,148 posted on 03/06/2002 8:04:40 AM PST by Havoc
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To: Havoc
And of course, the all knowing, all seeing, Word of God on earth, Havoc, if transported back to the days of yesteryear, would instantly be able to tell that the forged decretals were forged. Just by examining them. What a talent he is.

SD

32,154 posted on 03/06/2002 8:12:14 AM PST by SoothingDave
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