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To: Havoc
Some didn't get it and some did. This is in line with His teaching all along. And it doesn't say they left misunderstanding - Look at Jesus' words after the others left. "Does this offend you?" Those that left understood it; but were offended at what he was saying.

Say what? Can we try this again? Those who heard Jesus say "you have to eat my flesh" who left Him because of this, understood him correctly? (That is, correctly to you, that they needed to believe on Him, that "eat me" means "believe in me.")

And they were offended at the idea of believeing in Jesus so they left. Is this what you are saying?

If you are, then why in the world did those leaving mumble to themselves "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"? Why wouldn't they mumble "this guy wants us to believe in him?"?

SD

305 posted on 10/16/2001 6:25:57 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
then why in the world did those leaving mumble to themselves "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?"?

They didn't. Read verses 59 - 61 when the disciples leave. No mention of them mumbling about flesh. Then verse 67, Jesus says," Will ye also go away??" To which Peter replies in verse 68 and 69, ".."Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. [69] And we believe and are sure that thou art that Chirst, the Son of the living God.

Look back now at verse 64..."For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him."

It wasn't about eating flesh that the disciples split and ran over. The rest of the passage betrays that clearly. The problem was unbelief. And Peter sums it up and says, 'hey, who would we follow. The rest of us believe in you.' Of Course, Jesus turns around and says, 'Yeah, all but one - who is a devil'.

Now to drive the stake further in, look at verse 62. "What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?" Or in other words, 'What will it take for you to believe in me at this point, seeing me asend to heaven?' He's arguing His case, not about eating flesh - that was but a metaphor applied to the original statements about belief in Him. It's all there plain as the nose on your face. It loses it's planeness when you start trying to shove it in your doctrine box and refuse to see more than you are told. That is your problem. The scripture speaks quite well for itself there.

342 posted on 10/16/2001 8:53:33 AM PDT by Havoc
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