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To: hopefulpilgrim
I can't believe we are even talking about such a concept as "purgatory." My "purgatory" took place at Calvary when Jesus suffered and died in my place. This is not a license to sin.....no, just the opposite...Calvary gives the followers of Christ the motivation to live for Him. 2 Cor. 5:14,15:

Your "purgatory" took place on Calvary? I fear you don't know what purgatory is. Answer me this: are you now perfect, without any sin, desire to sin, selfishness, anything unholy?

Will you be perfect when you are in Heaven? Or will you just go as you are and be "declared" perfect? Guilty, but acquitted, or actually truly innocent?

SD

2,962 posted on 10/26/2001 6:53:58 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
Good morning Dave!

Answer me this: are you now perfect, without any sin, desire to sin, selfishness, anything unholy?

Can I answer? No, no, no, no, no.

Thanks.

-ksen

2,974 posted on 10/26/2001 7:29:42 AM PDT by ksen
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To: SoothingDave; ksen
I wrote: I can't believe we are even talking about such a concept as "purgatory." My "purgatory" took place at Calvary when Jesus suffered and died in my place. This is not a license to sin.....no, just the opposite...Calvary gives the followers of Christ the motivation to live for Him. 2 Cor. 5:14,15:

You wrote: Your "purgatory" took place on Calvary? I fear you don't know what purgatory is. Answer me this: are you now perfect, without any sin, desire to sin, selfishness, anything unholy?

Of course I am not sinless. As long as I live in this body of flesh, it will "set its desire against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh" (Gal. 5:17).

And I know what "purgatory" is supposed to be. But it isn't real, SD. There is no such place or experience. There is heaven, and there is hell, there is no in-between. I was saying that my CLEANSING (as in purgatory) took place at the cross where Christ suffered the penalty and punishment for my sins and for my impurity. Even now, the effects of His death are still working, for the Holy Spirit says through John that "the blood of Jesus Christ His Son is cleansing us from sin." (John 1:7-9).

As ksen said, "the animal sacrifices of the OT never actually took away sin; they merely covered them until Jesus came and performed the perfect sacrifice which did not just cover sin, but actually did away with the sin." Ksen supported what he said by quoting a passage from Hebrews 10 where Christ says to the Father, "Behold, I have come to do Thy will, O God." Then in v. 10: "By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." And v. 12-14: "And every priest stands daily, ministering and offering the same sacrifices which can never take away sins: But this man (Jesus Christ) after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God...For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that are sanctified." Cogitate on this passage, Dave...mull it over and over. Let the truth sink in----there is no need for purgatory. Jesus paid it ALL.

Don't worry; you'll be perfect one day. But you won't have to suffer torment in purgatory to become so.

3,240 posted on 10/27/2001 12:05:47 AM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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