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To: dignan3
Listen, I could produce more quotes on Augustine's belief and defense of Tradition, Apostolic Succession, the authority of the deuterocanon(aka "Apocrypha"), an ordained Priesthood, the authority of Councils, the Sacraments, Mary, etc... But I think that I have demonstrated that Augustine was Catholic through and through and that any attempt to make him into some sort of proto-Protestant is an exercise in futility.

Listen, St. Augustine is not my hero, he is your hero. The "Catholic through and through" had some beliefs which were/are in direct with current RCC doctrine. You choose to ignore them. Why?

1. Because the Church hadn't taken a firm position on these issues yet.

2. Because he wasn't infallible.

3. Because no one said he was correct on all issues, he was capable of error just like any other human.

4. Because we reserve the right to go through the salad and throw out the carrots if we choose to do so.

5. Just because.
2,672 posted on 10/25/2001 7:13:48 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
Listen, St. Augustine is not my hero, he is your hero. The "Catholic through and through" had some beliefs which were/are in direct with current RCC doctrine. You choose to ignore them. Why?

Because the 99% agreement he has with the Church outweighs considerably the 1% where he may be in conflict. Like you said, he wasn't infallible and we don't treat him or any other Father as such.

You throw Augustine in our face because he says that Scripture has paramount authority(could you give me the reference again. Don't want to have to delve back over a 1000+ posts to find it) and then think that it will cause us Catholics to tremble. Yet he believed in the authority of Apostolic Tradition, the authority of the visable Church to bind the conscience of a believer, infant baptism, the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, the Sacrafice of the Mass, prayers for the dead, Mary's sinlessness, Apostolic succession, the seven Sacraments, the canonical authority of the so-called "Apocrypha", etc... The list goes on and on and on...

How can a man who believes that Scripture is of paramount authority believe in such supposed unscriptural, indeed, it is said by some, anti-Scriptural nonsense? Unless, of course, it is the case that what paramount authority means to Augustine is not the meaning which you are trying to foist upon him.

Augustine is not the trump card you think he is. It would be appriciated if you would stop trying to use him as such.

Pray for John Paul II

2,786 posted on 10/25/2001 9:53:32 AM PDT by dignan3
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