[D-fendr]

Perhaps you will believe me, bass. Anger on these issues seems to have almost disappeared with increasing age. My mouth was not frothing. I think there is most often a hard fall for gurus and an even-harder one for their followers. I have compassion for both, I have known how incredible the loss can be.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I think there is most often a hard fall for gurus and an even-harder one for their followers.

This is rather pathetic Dfendr. I am one that enjoys most of Havoc's posts because we think alot alike. I just don't happen to possess his writing skills so when he jots something down most of the time (not all the time) in my spirit I find myself giving him a hearty amen. I guess in your eyes that makes him my guru. But God forbid should he ever fall, and it ticks me off I have make this point because of your pathetic comment, don't worry about me, the Lord's been faithful in keeping me for 30 years now. Maybe you should get the log out of your own eye.