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To: D-fendr
Then Jesus was being sarcastic there?

No, He was pointing this man to the law. The Law was given to bring a person to Christ. Did you know this is the basic reason that God gave the Law? The Bible makes this very clear by using the illustration of a schoolmaster:

Wherefore, the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. (Galatians 3:24, 25)

The Law was given in order that we might see who God is and that we might see ourselves and also see the great chasm between us that we cannot bridge. The Law was a slave, if you please, for that was what the schoolmaster was who is spoken of here.

You know you don’t keep the Law; all you have to do is examine your own heart to know that. When you see your hopeless, helpless condition, the Law then becomes the one who takes you by the hand and brings you to Christ. Christ is the One who kept the Law, and because He died on the cross, paying the penalty for your sin, it is possible for a holy God to accept you without lowering His standard. The penalty is paid, and now He can receive you, a vile sinner, a lawbreaker, a transgressor, and bring you into the presence of God.

Do you think this kind of love is impossible?

No, There was no power to express and realize the love of God in the Old Testament. None whatever. As best I can tell, God said, “This is it, I’ve put it on the line. You either do it or you don’t do it. And if you don’t do it, I’ll punish you. If you do it, I’ll bless you.” Well, they didn’t do it. And the consequences? Look at the history of the Jewish people for the past 3,000 years. An example is their treatment by Hitler, who had some six million Jews killed. But if they could have kept God’s Law, not one hand would ever have been put on them. They are a witness to the world that you cannot please God by doing something. They tried it, and they had ideal conditions for it—which we don’t have.

God today is saying to mankind, “You have not met My standard, but I am prepared to reach down and lift you up.” That is the reason He sent Christ into the world. And now He says that those who have come to Him and are really born-again children of God are to express that same kind of love. He also says, “I’ll give you the power for it today—the fruit of the Spirit is love.” Now after that, there are other fruits that apparently stem from love, because the language, the grammar, is quite exact. The fruit of the Spirit is not our love, joy, peace, et cetera, but it is His love working through us. The one fruit is love, and out of love comes “joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control…” (Galatians 5:22, 23). This is what is produced, not by our own effort but by the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer.

BigMack

24,583 posted on 02/06/2002 10:43:28 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
I don't see where the OT covenant comes into this, except as a historical background. Jesus teaching didn't contradict the law, He fulfilled it and taught its truer and deeper meaning. That's what he said in the scripture: all the commandments flow from this.

Jesus commandments were given in response to their current understanding of the "law" as something done legally, as a requirement or obligation or as something in order to earn a reward — as a work.

I understand you see the Ten Commandments as works, but is love a 'works'?

Do you not love God above all else? Does this then mean you don't sin?

I am confused between what Jesus taught and what you derive from it. I don't understand it such that Jesus taught us not to follow the commandments, or that we could perfectly, but rather to see them as they were in truth, how they asked us to relate to God and our fellow man. Even more as truth: If we see the truth of our existence, this love is the unavoidable and natural result. This is how spirit and truth are.

I believe Jesus is saying if you love something more than God and if you love your self more than your neighbor, you still have more to grow.

As far as salvation, is it your position that you could love your self more than your neighbor and love something more than God and realize eternal life?

If so, perhaps we are speaking of different things.

thanks for your reply…

24,600 posted on 02/06/2002 11:17:02 AM PST by D-fendr
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