[IMRight]

Remember that Paul felt his mission was to bring about "the obedience of Faith" (1st and last times that faith is mentioned in Romans). If your definition of "Faith" & "Works" pits the two against one another, you may be in error.

Just a story I heard, but I've heard it from a couple people. The Anglicans & Catholics batted this argument around for fifteen years in a dialog similar to the one ended by the Baptists that sprouted this thread. One side said "Faith is sufficient" (true) the other side said "Faith without works is dead" (also true). After 15yrs they agreed on a common statement "Faith is sufficient, but if you have Faith, you will do works"... to which I say "DUH! That took 15yrs?"

[JohnnyM]

I agree in essence of what you stated. I believe works are a fruit of faith, but works in themselves have no bearing on one's salvation either obtaining it or losing it.

JM