What was relevant about that, other than trying to slam 2 NC's at the same time?
I think what was "relevant" is that both of these NC's are arguing the same silly thing about what "Theotokos" really means. If you act irrelevant, you will be deemed so.
Are you going to join up with them, too? Will you defend their interpretation about what the word means? Or are you sensible?
SD
Havoc - I apologize if I'm not understanding your point. Are you proposing that the for the past 1500 years the Orthodox have been mistaken about what they're talking about when they say "Theotokos"? Or are you defending the other poster's interpretation just to be contrarian? Or something else?
I'm saying that, context or no, looking at definitions: one that would render theotokos as "investment of God" would be completely valid. Usury is after all an investment that draws interest. And modern dictionaries actually invoke the word "investment". I'm not saying it to be contrary. I'm saying the obvious.
Havoc, wake up! The definition that is "completely valid" is the one that has been in use for over 1500 years. Theotokos = Bearer of God. Ay Carumba!
SD
Dave, I think there has been enough "silliness" from both sides of this "Theotokos" debate. One side insisting that Mother of God is the correct term while admitting that the true and correct meaning is "bearer of God". The other side says that it has some hidden sinister meaning, or possible meaning (in Havoc's case). But even Havoc admitted that it could mean "bearer of God". If you guys didn't hate him so much you would have seen that and accepted that as a possible place of agreement.
Here's the bottom line for me on this debate, I don't think it's necessary to invent this non-Biblical term in order to understand what the Bible clearly teaches. But if you must insist on it, I have no problem with "God bearer" or "bearer of God". It avoids the baggage of "mother of God" and the possible misunderstanding therein, while getting the point across. Maybe we can all (or at least most of us) agree that on this one thing. But I'm probably dreaming, you guys would probably rather use this as a club to beat your opponents with, maybe the NC's would too. I'm not looking to compromise my principles, I just can't see why any Christian would object to calling Mary the bearer of God.