[malakhi]

Fire at will.

bass, you've been gone for a while, so you've obviously forgotten. Augustine and Cyprian merely present their personal opinions. These are not the official teachings of the Catholic Church.

[the808bass]

I know :-) However, the later stuff I posted pointed out that the doctrines of the church were formed on the unanimous writings of the Fathers. Ain't no such animal as unanimous writings of the Father. And at what point do the writings of the leaders of the Church fail to represent Church doctrine to the extent that the church is unrecognizable by its chief adherents. (Poorly worded, but I think my point comes through)