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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
HAS THE PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE BEEN PROVEN WRONG --- NOPE!

I don't think it's viable. 2 Thessolonians 2 was quoted as support, but 2 Thessolonians 1 makes it clear that the event is:

2Th 1:6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay tribulation to those who trouble you,
2Th 1:7 and to give rest with us to you who are troubled, at the revealing of the Lord Jesus from Heaven with the angels of His power,
2Th 1:8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ,

This seems to be the coming of the Lord, not a secret rapture for his church. His church will be instantly translated at the second coming, as made clear by Paul:

1Th 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. And so we shall ever be with the Lord.

Which meshes nicely with John:

Rev 1:7 Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierced Him will see Him, and all the kindreds of the earth will wail because of Him. Even so, Amen.

23,818 posted on 02/04/2002 9:05:03 AM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
So you don't believe in the rapture at all?

BigMack

23,837 posted on 02/04/2002 9:38:47 AM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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