This is why the Lord said his church is invisible - it is of spirit - not of flesh. It cannot be seen with earthly eyes.
Oh please, give me the Scripture verse where Jesus says His Church is invisible. I'd love to see it.
SD
DouglasKC If Elijah ascended in a whirlwind to the same heaven Jesus came from, then that means Jesus either didn't know about it, or is a liar. Neither of these possibitlies is likely. So therefore Elijah didn't ascend to THE heaven.
True, he did go upto "heaven" in a whirlwind (2 Kings 2:11), but it seems to me that "heaven" was the heaven of the skies, the atmosphere...he just got carried to a different place far away where he couldn't be found. The proof of this is in 2 Chronicles 21:12. Years after Elijah was carried away by the whirlwind, who does Jehoram get a letter from? Elijah the prophet.
LOL. "Heaven" doesn't mean "heaven" now? I love it. When Catholics do this kind of "deconstruction" of the text, we get called for "Spinning." Anybody out there agree?
Havoc: Incredibly good point.
Of course. Everybody come see Havoc spinning the plain meaning of Scripture.
SD
Matthew 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.