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To: Wordsmith
So I guess God became flesh twice?

Let me reword this and take the word "God" out of there and use "Divine being" instead.

Allend said:

The confusion is on the part of folks who try to divide Jesus in two, the human Jesus and the divine Jesus, and say that Mary was the mother of the first but not the second.

So if Mary is mother of both, she pre-existed with Jesus in heaven right?

23,719 posted on 02/04/2002 5:59:16 AM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I see. I believe what allend is trying to say is that the only way to say that Mary is mother of the man Jesus but not the mother of the Divine Jesus - as you seem to be saying - is to say that Jesus is two Persons. He's not saying that he believes this himself. And I'll deny to my last breath, God willing, anyone who attempts to say that Jesus Christ is not One Person, fully God and fully man, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.
23,721 posted on 02/04/2002 6:03:28 AM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
Let me introduce you to two concepts of the Trinity. One is correct, the other is "innadequate".

The Trinity is made up of :

God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit ?

or

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit?

.

Which do you choose? Your previous answer implies a seperation between "Christ" and "God".

23,722 posted on 02/04/2002 6:06:30 AM PST by IMRight
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
So if Mary is mother of both, she pre-existed with Jesus in heaven right?

There is no both. There is only One Son of God. And His mother is fully human, fully mortal. The implication of this truth, the truth that is the central miracle of Christianity - the Incarnation, is that His mother is the Mother of God.

Your mistake is in projecting normal, mortal rules of what motherhood means on to the ever-unique event of the birth of God from a mortal woman. Among mortals, the mother of course pre-exists the child. But if the Child is God, this does not apply.

23,724 posted on 02/04/2002 6:07:49 AM PST by Wordsmith
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