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I am not posting this to bash Catholics, or even to say that this is what the catholic doctrine is. Is why I am posting it is to show you that this is how even professing catholics UNDERSTAND what the church teaches. This is what I have been trying to say. That catholics don't even understand what catholics teach. I didn't. I will also say that I think the same holds true in ALL faiths. Most people are going to church without even knowing what that church believes. They think just going to church is enough, no matter what it is. That is why there are so many "protestants" fatih out there. There are just as many catholics who don't agree with the catholic doctrine, but they still go by the catholic name.

But when I tried to tell you that these were the beliefs I walked away with after 12 years in catholic schools, you said that I was just being not bright, or not paying attention, or going to a bad school, or that I just wasn't getting it. If that's the case then there are alot of not bright, or not paying attention, or bad catholic schools out there becasue from this survey there are alot of catholic's out there that don't believe the same why you do.

I can hear it now, BAD SURVEY, right:)

Not at all. Sad survey is better. Becky, I'm not sure what the reaction was to your announcing of Catholic schooling but I know that myself and others here have commented with others about the crappy state of many "Catholic schools." We like to give Steven grief about not paying attention, but that's because he's him. So please don't think that we think you weren't seriously trying to learn when you were in school.

Catholic schools and catechism everywhere are often horrible. This is a consequence of the battle going on (always?) within the Church itself. As the Church fights against evil elements in the world, these same elements root into the Church Herself. There is a battle between good and evil going on in the world and inside the Church Herself. This is not an excuse, but it helps to explain the horrible state of Catholic teaching. It is on purpose and it is by folks who wish to destroy the Church from within.

The rest of the comments on the survey are as follows. It is true to a very large extent that what the actual folks "in the pews" believe is what the Church believes. It is also true that there is a written belief found in the catechism and other sources. In ideal times thay would be indentical, these are not those times. So you look to the common Catholics in this survey (we don't even know if these are even churchgoing Catholics) and find very strange and sad views.

I concur that it is bad news, but it means that the Church must begin teaching the Truth it has in its writings, so that the lay people have a better grasp of what their Catholicism is really all about.

This survey marks a clear contrast for our bishops to consider. God grant us some men with backbones.