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To: the808bass
(SD)-Mary remained without sin her entire life. She was the new ark of the covenant, a perfect vessel.

(the8088bass)-Now we're getting to the meat. The bottom line (as I see it, correct me if I'm wrong) is that the Catholic conception of original sin leads a Catholic to the logical conclusion that Mary was without sin her entire life. And further, that she was immaculately conceived. Perhaps this is the sticking point for Protestants in the argument over Mary's children (it is for me). Perhaps this foundational argument is the real problem that we have with perpetual virginity.

I am waiting for a reply from SoothingDave on this same question. It appears that Romans 3: suggests not only do all (includes Mary) have sin but that we are saved on "faith alone". It is just possible this is a difficult question to respond to.

Romans 3:
22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction;
23 since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
25 whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins;
26 it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus.
1,575 posted on 10/20/2001 1:38:35 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
Romans 3: the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction; since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; it was to prove at the present time that he himself is righteous and that he justifies him who has faith in Jesus.

Paul is making a very general statement. You are not allowing that the relationship between Mary and Jesus was very special. There is also the possibility that Paul, who never saw Jesus in flesh, never met Mary, and/or knew nothing of the Virgin Birth.IN any case. He seems remarkably unconcerned with the details of Jesus's life and ministry.

1,581 posted on 10/20/2001 2:02:29 PM PDT by RobbyS
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