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To: JHavard
If there are any on this thread I would like to hear it from them, but what do you think?

I don't think I have seen either camp represented in any number on this thread. Although I believe RnMomof7 would be in the Nazarene camp.

I think the pre-destination vs. free will question is a fundamental question in regard to salvation.

1,513 posted on 10/19/2001 11:12:48 PM PDT by conservonator
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To: conservonator
I think the pre-destination vs. free will question is a fundamental question in regard to salvation.

I disagree for the following reasons.

1) The question of free will vs. pre-destination is one of means of salvation, not the agent. In other words, it's trying to explain a mystery, that of the regeneration of sinful humanity. The two sides see the picture from different perspectives and thus formulate their pictures based upon their perspectives, but

2) They both agree that salvation is by grace through faith. Some will say that those who are the elect are determined by God as He draws them. The others say that God draws all and those who receive the gift of faith are saved. But, in the end, those who believe are saved, whether they were "elected" or "chose" (both weighted words, but almost impossible to avoid at least one of em).

3) Both will agree that a Christian will live a Christian life (except for hyper-Calvinists who don't really poke their heads out of their burrows much). Some will say that living their Christian life is evidence of their election. The others will say that living their Christian life is perservering (weighted the word the other way, sorry).

So, in the end, the fundamental truths of salvation remain intact no matter which side of the fence one stands upon in this issue. So, the argument over Pre-destination vs. Free-will, to me is an argument over a tangent (the manner in which we came to salvation) and not the main point (salvation).

1,574 posted on 10/20/2001 1:33:05 PM PDT by the808bass
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